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Okay so this has caused a bit of confusion, allow me to throw out a possible suggestion.
1000 years ago —-> Merlin becomes the Sorcerer
200 years ago —–> Nimue becomes the dark one.
Now of course we know Rumpz is 200-300 years old and so this sounds like some kind of flaw but it COULD be possible this is not a mistake.
See, I think we as the audience might make the mistake in believing that all the dark ones of the past lived very long lives. There are at least a dozen dark ones standing behind Nimue…. perhaps those were all the ones who came and went relatively quickly in the years after she herself became the dark one and Rumple became the dark one not long after that and he just so happened to be the longest living Dark One…. I mean, those other Dark Ones could have just lived a few weeks before being stabbed and having the power transferred to someone else…
That…makes sense right??
EDIT: Just saw Daniel and RG discussed this in the initial reactions 😛 so now I feel inadequate.
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We saw Merlin get his magic 1000 years ago.
The flashback to when Nimue became the first dark one said it was 200 years ago.
When Merlin’s telling Nimue about how the got his magic, he says, “That was 500 years ago.”
Am I failing at maths or does that add up to only 700 years, not 1000?
I’m going to go out on a limb and say it was a typo. I think it meant to say ‘500 years ago’, then Merlin’s ‘that was 500 years ago’ works as well. 2s and 5s are easy to mix up.
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I’m going to go out on a limb and say it was a typo. I think it meant to say ‘500 years ago’, then Merlin’s ‘that was 500 years ago’ works as well. 2s and 5s are easy to mix up.
They are easy to mix up but for no one on the writing staff or editing room or the continuity experts to notice….? That’s Alex the magic gender swapped baby all over again
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Also, the apprentice was a child when Nimue became the dark one. And then he was an old man (looking same as we saw in the present) when Zoso came looking for the hat, and the apprentice said “every dark one tried, every dark one failed” to get the hat.
Not to mention, how did the hat come into this??? They have completely forgotten about it! Wouldn’t all those dark ones have wanted Excalibur, instead?
Anyway, someone needs to ask about the timeline on twitter. Aaagain. 🙄
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Oh gosh, the hat. Yes, we’ve never gotten a proper explanation for the hat/dagger connection.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I agree that “200 years” was probably a typo, because Merlin mentioned that it had been 500 years since he drank the grail during the Nimue centric flashback, which would put it 500 years before Arthur, not 200. We’ve complained before about them previously just saying “a long time ago” or “many years ago” for flashbacks, but perhaps wishing for specific numbers is making things even more confusing. Had we simply gotten “a long time ago” for last night’s flashbacks, the timeline wouldn’t have been as much of an issue.
Yes, both the hat and the Dark One Vault were left out of this flashback. Unless they’re saving the Dark One Vault explanation specifically for another episode? It’s strange that it wouldn’t be mentioned, when it’s appeared as recently as this Season. I don’t think it was ever said that the hat was made specifically with the dagger in mind, but rather that the Dark One wanted to take advantage of its power. The main thing about the hat that remains unexplained is why Merlin would need a magic-sucking hat to begin with.
the apprentice was a child when Nimue became the dark one. And then he was an old man (looking same as we saw in the present) when Zoso came looking for the hat, and the apprentice said “every dark one tried, every dark one failed” to get the hat.
@sci-fi_girl AH good point the hat! My personal theory is that since Merlin’s magic is what tethered the dark one to the dagger, only Merlin’s magic can un-tether it. The hat must have been imbued with some of Merlin’s magic, why I’m not sure, but maybe so Merlin could communicate with his apprentice? Maybe he did this as a back-up plan in case he was ever imprisoned or turned into a tree since he can see the future and maybe knew this was a possibility. Merlin must have also put some sort of safe guard spell on it since he knew other DOs would try to use it to un-tether themselves from the dagger.
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As for how long Rumple was the dark one, based on several pieces of evidence, I have his becoming the Dark One in 1860. Yes, yes, I KNOW that’s not 300 years. Guess what? They play fast and loose with the timeline a LOT.
But Baelfire fell into OUR WORLD (Adam was quite insistent about that) and looked up and saw Big Ben. Big Ben was not completed until 1858. Having him go in 1861 works.
And what I did was, before that point, I’d assumed 300 years as Rumple’s age. When I made his age 200 years at the point that Emma comes to Storybrooke…it fixed things so that Baelfire could go to Victorian London in our world without too much hassle.
So Rumple was the dark one for 150 years, give or take, though 28 of those years he was just Mr. Gold and time wasn’t moving for him. That still allows comments about “centuries” and “a couple hundred” for Neal’s and Killian’s ages to be close enough to correct. They have never said IN THE SHOW that Rumple was 300, though that was clearly their initial estimate. In the show, I’ve only caught references to his being centuries old or having been the dark one for centuries. 150 is more than one, 200 is a couple (and I assume he was around 50 when he became the DO, based in part on Bobby’s age and in part on some logical reasoning about Bae’s age in relation).
Yes, it’s a mess, and I’m not sure what to do with the timeline markers in this episode right now. I’m eager to see what Adam might say to clarify the 200 years one…because while I’ll buy that Zoso’s life as DO was fairly brief, Nimue would have had some time and there is the suggestion of a LOT of other DOs in the episode. I don’t buy that they all squeeze into 50 years.
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As for how long Rumple was the dark one, based on several pieces of evidence, I have his becoming the Dark One in 1860. Yes, yes, I KNOW that’s not 300 years. Guess what? They play fast and loose with the timeline a LOT.
But Baelfire fell into OUR WORLD (Adam was quite insistent about that) and looked up and saw Big Ben. Big Ben was not completed until 1858. Having him go in 1861 works.
And what I did was, before that point, I’d assumed 300 years as Rumple’s age. When I made his age 200 years at the point that Emma comes to Storybrooke…it fixed things so that Baelfire could go to Victorian London in our world without too much hassle.
So Rumple was the dark one for 150 years, give or take, though 28 of those years he was just Mr. Gold and time wasn’t moving for him. That still allows comments about “centuries” and “a couple hundred” for Neal’s and Killian’s ages to be close enough to correct. They have never said IN THE SHOW that Rumple was 300, though that was clearly their initial estimate. In the show, I’ve only caught references to his being centuries old or having been the dark one for centuries. 150 is more than one, 200 is a couple (and I assume he was around 50 when he became the DO, based in part on Bobby’s age and in part on some logical reasoning about Bae’s age in relation).
Yes, it’s a mess, and I’m not sure what to do with the timeline markers in this episode right now. I’m eager to see what Adam might say to clarify the 200 years one…because while I’ll buy that Zoso’s life as DO was fairly brief, Nimue would have had some time and there is the suggestion of a LOT of other DOs in the episode. I don’t buy that they all squeeze into 50 years.
The problem still is that Merlin clearly states in the Nimue portion of the flashbacks that it had been 500 years ago that he drank from the grail. They said that Merlin finding the grail took place 1000 years before Arthur, meaning that there should be a difference of 500 more years between when Nimue became the Dark One and when Arthur became King, not 200.
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