Tinker Bell Cast

[RumplesGirl]

I would be more ok with discussing the history of the diamond if they had made it clear in flashbacks that Regina didn’t fully expect to win with the Curse. She may not trust Rumple but she did trust the Curse. The first line she says when she wakes up in SB is “I’ve won!” And then suddenly two episodes later she was all, “oh yeah, I have this backup plan stashed away in case the Curse didn’t work.” I need to be able to follow that train of thought and the way they’ve characterized Regina doesn’t allow me to believe that she thought of a backup plan. Heck, nothing she did including the Curse was her own idea.

Now, if they show me in flashbacks that she got the diamond from Tink (though I still don’t know what she would trade) then maybe I’ll revisit this.

As to PP being lonely: but he let Wendy go and that doesn’t explain why he wants Henry so badly.

As to Regina trading kids for the diamond: Regina’s relationship with kids is complicated. She has, as we’ve seen, capacity to care for them greatly (Henry, Owen). Even if she separated Hansel and Gretal from their father, she also offered them life with her because in her own way she came to care for them. She may be ruthless in her quest to kill Snow but would she banish a bunch of scared little boys to life on a nasty island with PP? I don’t know. I really don’t.

[PriceofMagic]

She sent a load of kids into the blind witch’s house before Hansel and Gretel who then got eaten and she did it knowing they might get eaten. So I could definitely see Regina sending boys to Neverland if it meant she got what she wanted.

All magic comes with a price!

Keeper of Felix

[RumplesGirl]

She sent a load of kids into the blind witch’s house before Hansel and Gretel who then got eaten and she did it knowing they might get eaten. So I could definitely see Regina sending boys to Neverland if it meant she got what she wanted.

She did? True North was my least favorite episode until Selfless, Brave and True so I don’t remember all of it. That’s a good point then. My overall point about the diamond still stands though.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[PriceofMagic]

Regina said to Hansel and Gretel something along the lines of “You’re not the first boy and girl I sent into that sticky sweet house but you are the first to come out”

Whilst I agree that someone may have put the idea in Regina’s head about the diamond, it’s also possible that Regina thought of it herself as a back up last resort. She had to go to Rumple to tell her how to cast the curse, and whilst there he told her about Emma. Though it did seem like she cast the curse immediately afterwards.

All magic comes with a price!

Keeper of Felix

[Phee]

In Apple Red As Blood we have this…

Regina: I think I’d rather just get rid of her.

Mr. Gold: Well, well. You’re going to have to be quite creative. We both know the repercussions in killing Miss Swan. The curse will be…

Regina: The curse will be broken. That’s because you designed it that way. Undo it.

So she must have known about Snowing’s child’s relation to the Curse before her conversation with Rumple at his cell where he said, “You see, no matter how powerful, all curses can be broken. Their child is the key.” Because it didn’t look like she had a whole lotta time to do more research between that visit to Rumple, and casting the Curse. And there was probably no way for her to research more about it during the SB years. And if she knew about the Snowing baby dying making the Curse void, that explains why she didn’t just arrange for Snow to have a miscarriage. So I assume that when she was going after baby Emma as the Curse rolled in, she didn’t intend to kill her, she was just gonna keep her, so she could never grow up and break the Curse.

So, if she was aware that this Curse was breakable, and given her prior experience of curses breaking, I can buy it if she implemented a backup plan with the failsafe, just in case.

[RumplesGirl]

But Regina couldn’t arrange for Snow to have a miscarriage because she can’t harm Snow in FTL and I’m assuming that would extend to her pregnancy; so Regina had no way to prevent baby Emma’s birth.

However, the rest of your argument is sound and is making me requestion my stance on the Diamond.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[Phee]

Ah, yes, totally forgot about that arrangement where Regina couldn’t hurt her. That’s sort of a vital fact in the whole matter, ooops! LOL

[kfchimera]

I thought it was confirmed somewhere that Regina did intend to kill the baby.  She could not harm Snow (but note, that might not have covered Charming).  If the baby died before it might not have broken it before cast, but the baby had to be alive to break it after.  So then the curse never could have been broken.

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

[kpercyman]

I believe she did not receive the diamond until the curse was activated and she was in SB. Someone brought it to her or told her about it. She is not the type of person to think things through. I believe the origin of the diamond will come into play when we find out how Henry was adopted.

Also, Regina is capable of anything. After knowing she killed Owen’s father in cold blood and an entire town of peasants she could anything. However, she couldn’t send boys to NL due to the t-word. The boys were brought by the shadow for PP’s purpose. I beat the Seer has more to do with the story than meets the eye. Rumple was given his future for a specific reason and I think PP and TB are behind it. I stand by my Rumple and PP being brothers and TB was suppose to watch out for their mom and didn’t. She ended up dying and she fled with PP and left Rumple. PP knows that Rumple will be related to the boy he wants. He sends Tink to SB to ensure that they will find him. This brings in the HO, GOAT and Henry’s adoption. Also, if Regina used the fail safe PP would still be able to get Henry.

And I know some of you think that Rumple is more evil than Regina and he would kill thousands of kids but here is my reasoning:

The major difference between Regina and Rumple in my opinion is their core. Regina had a choice to be evil. True her mother made her into the Evil Queen but she still had a choice. Rumple became evil through the curse of the Dark One. Without that curse Rumple was a timid man who loved his son with all his heart. Regina will always be Regina but Rumple can be good.

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