Title for 3×17

[Slurpeez]

yeah he never mentioned that he recognized that look because HE was left alone, but because the lost boys had that look and he spent centuries in neverland

Possibly. Hook knew Baelfire, a Lost Boy, had been left alone by Milha, Rumple and himself. However, it’s not impossible that Hook recognized that look in the Lost Boys’ eyes for the same reason Emma did: he himself had also experienced being left alone. We have no idea whether Hook was lying to Baelfire in 2×22 just to get information how to kill Rumplestiltskin. It’s possible he just made that story up. Yet, it’s also possible it’s true that his father really did abandon him, and then he just used that to his advantage to get Baelfire to spill the beans about the dark one dagger. We just can’t be entirely sure. That is why I’m hoping the backstory will fill in those blanks some.

[RumplesGirl]

Slurpeez108 wrote: In 3×6, Hook told Emma he’d seen the look of despair in the eyes of the Lost Boys, because they’d be left alone.

yeah he never mentioned that he recognized that look because HE was left alone, but because the lost boys had that look and he spent centuries in neverland

Sure but we just spent–what–10ish episodes getting to know the Lost Boys themselves. None of them seemed particularly abandoned and without hope. Only the smallest ones we met in 309 when Emma gave that teary moment of promising them a home. (unresolved issue of S3A #45632) But look at Felix or Devin, they were totally on board with PP.

That is why I’m hoping the backstory will fill in those blanks some.

Yeah, same. I think 317 will bridge that wonky divide between 222 (father, no brother) and 305 (brother, no father)

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[Marty McFly]

QUESTION: is the actor who plays Liam going to film 317?????????

[Slurpeez]

QUESTION: is the actor who plays Liam going to film 317?????????

We probably won’t know until the synopsis for 3×17 is released in March or April.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

[RumplesGirl]

QUESTION: is the actor who plays Liam going to film 317?????????

We don’t know. That hasn’t been announced. If Blackbeard is Liam/Killan’s father then I would expect then to cast much younger actors in those roles because Hook claims that his father left him when he was super young–like 10-13.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[RumplesGirl]

This is an idea that just came to me, but what if the story Hook told Bae is both true and not true.

NOT TRUE: Killian and Liam’s biological father did not abandon them. They lived a normal life, a Navy family. Killian and Liam grew up loved and protected and their father probably died of natural causes.

TRUE: The pirate Blackbeard became a father figure to Pirate Killian after events of 305. He taught Killian how to be a proper pirate but then they had a major falling out and Blackbeard abandoned Killian. So in a way his “father” abandoned him and that’s the story he told Baelfire. He just elaborated a bit (about the age of abandonment) in order to win Bae’s sympathy.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[Marty McFly]

This is an idea that just came to me, but what if the story Hook told Bae is both true and not true.

NOT TRUE: Killian and Liam’s biological father did not abandon them. They lived a normal life, a Navy family. Killian and Liam grew up loved and protected and their father probably died of natural causes.

TRUE: The pirate Blackbeard became a father figure to Pirate Killian after events of 305. He taught Killian how to be a proper pirate but then they had a major falling out and Blackbeard abandoned Killian. So in a way his “father” abandoned him and that’s the story he told Baelfire. He just elaborated a bit (about the age of abandonment) in order to win Bae’s sympathy.

oooh I like this theory!!!!! you know what? since the episode IS called the Jolly Roger, and not the Jewel Realm or whatever it was called before, than it MUST be AFTER Liam died. it MUST be after Pirate Killian Jones was a pirate and was learning from Papa Blackbeard how to own the seas

[awoovo]

awoovo wrote: I love this post, and I think this is how the episode will play out

Interesting post. I do think there will be a lot of parallels, and in my head there will be about 3, all of them father/son type relationships or mentor/mentee relationships 1) Hook and Blackbeard 2) Hook and Henry (I suspect they are on that beach hiding from Wicked in 3×16) 3) Hook and Bae. We’ve seen the father/son dynamic before with Hook, in 222. It will hopefully resurface in some form.

Didn’t they say that there would be no more Neverland even included in flashbacks? So wouldn’t that tell us there won’t be any Hook/Bae dynamic? Maybe it’s in the present, unless Neal’s already dead.

I’m not sure if the writers care to bring back Hook and Bae’s past. They’ve had opportunities but they’ve chosen to make them civil with one another. The only issue they clash on is Emma, and Neal nor Hook appear to hold bad blood with one another.

[RumplesGirl]

Didn’t they say that there would be no more Neverland even included in flashbacks? So wouldn’t that tell us there won’t be any Hook/Bae dynamic? Maybe it’s in the present, unless Neal’s already dead.

I meant the present, yes. There is still Hook and Bae dynamic to tell since Neal is still alive in the present day, so far as we know. I know a great many people are upset over the lack of CaptainFire interaction that doesn’t come with the triangle of doom.

I’m not sure if the writers care to bring back Hook and Bae’s past. They’ve had opportunities but they’ve chosen to make them civil with one another. The only issue they clash on is Emma, and Neal nor Hook appear to hold bad blood with one another.

They don’t appear to be doing anything, is the big problem. 301-304 had Hook mourning Nealfire alongside Emma and we have yet to see them have any sort of meaningful talk about their past together that doesn’t include Emma. It could be massive rug sweeping but I hope not. Those two deserve to be fleshed out together without a girl in the middle.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[Phee]

This is an idea that just came to me, but what if the story Hook told Bae is both true and not true.

I could see it being a partial truth, but I’m starting to get a bit of a headcanon that won’t quit, and I do think it’s likely that their father left them. Like I said in a previous post, an event like his own father having been seduced away in Killian’s childhood could inform why he made a habit of seducing other men’s wives himself. It’s that classic situation where the victim becomes the perpetrator.

So, my tentative headcanon as it currently stands…
As children, Killian and Liam would work with their father who was a fisherman. He’d tell them stories about how one day they’d be rich enough to sail off and explore the seas properly. One day they encounter a mermaid, maybe they encounter her several times, maybe she promises to grant them riches (there are several British folktales of mermaids giving riches to humans, one of them is even about a fishing family), and maybe she seduces Papa (Davy) Jones. But it ends up they were wrong to trust her, she doesn’t grant them riches in the end, (which is why Hook declared that mermaids are liars) and having been enchanted by her, their father is drawn into the water and they believe he’s drowned, (the boys witness this of course, desperate for their father to not fall for the mermaid, but he’s too far gone). Years later, Killian Jones in the beginning of his pirating career, runs into his father again. He’s not dead after all, the mermaid worked some voodoo on him and we’ll get a character similar to the PotC take on Davy Jones, (only less octopus-ish, but still similar in the sense that he fell for a magical being of the sea, like the PotC version fell for a sea goddess), who has lost his humanity and become this mythical being of sorts, who captains a pirate ship. He engages in combat with Killian and his crew, and then realises that he’s his son. Then maybe he suggests that they sail the seas together, like they’d always talked about when Killian and Liam were kids. Or maybe Killian is the one to suggest they do that. Or maybe Davy’s so far gone and just tries to take Killian and his crew out anyway. Either way, they obviously didn’t end up sailing around together all happy families.

Anyway, something like that would make Hook’s story to Bae a partial truth. The dream of sailing the seas together is still there, as is the abandonment. And the extra stuff explains why he hates mermaids, and also possibly why he’s a womansier.

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