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1) If Cruella is really that evil, is really so without limits in her ability to hurt others, why did the Chernobog go after Maleficent? The “Cruella cannot kill” restriction is irrelevant. It’s about her heart. And the “potential” should include Cruella’s potential to manipulate the author into giving her back, which she fully intended to do. Also, Maleficent clearly cares for her daughter. She has a vulnerable side. If we’re to believe this latest ep, Cruella doesn’t care about anyone, which also means she has no limits in what she can do.
2) If Cruella is really a terrible person that didn’t care for Lily, why was she so protective of the egg in the first place? And of Ursula? Remember her putting her hand on Ursula’s back when they passed hook?
3) How did Cruella end up in the enchanted Forest? How did she earn the mantle of Queen of Darkness if she couldn’t even kill anyone? Presumably, she CAN manipulate things, like Rumple, so others lose their lives indirectly. But again, that would mean she has the most potential for darkness. (keep in mind they always say darkness, not conscious evil, so this doesn’t contradict my earlier point)
4) Why is it fair to consider Cruella the worst of the worst when she was born like that/became evil at too young an age to know the difference? Was she born evil, did she become that way? Given she was a relatively sheltered child, at what point did she get the opportunity to experience “darkness” and see what it was like?
5) Why the hell did her mother keep around after she killed her SECOND husband? It should have been pretty obvious by then what would happen. Why did she endanger the life of someone like that? Alice got sent to an institution for less.
6) Why did the Ink only change Cruella’s hair colour? What was the point in that? Did it change her powers somehow, give her additional powers? It is related to how she ended up in the Enchanted Forest? What if there was some paradox effect that the Ink being spilled on her is what “blackened” her history retroactively, as a kind of foreshadowing of what would happen with Lily? I doubt A&E would be that clever.
7) Didn’t A&E say she originally came from the Enchanted Forest? What happened to that? I guess this origin makes more sense, but there’s too much realms jumping.
8) What constitutes an “Animal”? Humans? The Chernobog? Why a Dragon(That may just be a polymorph and not a “Real” dragon, though the Egg suggests otherwise) and not Chernobog?
9) Why would Emma feel so bad about killing her if she really was so beyond redemption? And she was threatening her child, so how could she have known? Cruella might not be able to take the lives of others directly or using her magic, but she can still put people in dangerous situations(like with Lily). She’s not harmless.
10) Why didn’t the author take away her powers after she realised she was so evil? Like why leave her with the ability to do evil(even if she couldn’t kill?) Obviously she earned the mantle of Queen of Darkness without the ability to kill directly, so it wasn’t a good idea. He should have taken her ability away as a precaution, as soon as the mother came to see him.
11) When are A&E going to admit to having watched Princess Tutu because this whole “Author” thing is very familiar.
I admire them creating a deeply frightening villain that breaks from the typical “my family was mean to me” backstory, but it’s not as if we haven’t had characters like that before(Pan, Zelena to an extent). For Cruella, it just didn’t seem right.
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1) Criella does have limits for what she can do. She can’t kill. And judging from what The Author said, she may not be able to indirectly cause someone’s death because if so she would have just sent dogs after Author or even Maleficent-Dragon. She probably literally can’t cause someone to die whether it be by her direct hands or animals commands (oooh rhyme!).
Anyway, that explains why Chernabog went after Maleficent. Like I said in chat, Mal is the only one of the three who has a high level of evil (which Ursula lacks) and the capabilities to draw out such evil (which Cruella lacks). Cruella doesn’t have the darkest potential because all she is is empty threats.
2) I think Cruella did it because she was in league with Maleficent at the time, not because she really cared. As for Ursula, well at that time she and Cruella still had to maintain a “villains reformed” kind of appearance in Sb. Cruella could have just been saying “domt blow our cover, darling”
3) A&E are idiots who dont think we will notice these things. For the sake of argument, ill say Rumpel brought Cruella to the EF himself when he needed her.
8) I had the same question. Can Cruella control mermaids? Fairies? Dwarves? What constitutes an animal? Anything that isn’t human?
10) he probably figured she would be harmless without the ability to kill. So he left her with magic."I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
Keeper Of Tamara's Taser , Jafar's Staff, Kitsis’s Glasses , Ariel’s Tail, Dopey's Hat , Peter Pan’s Shadow, Outfit, & Pied Cloak,Red Queen's Castle, White Rabbit's Power To World Hop, Zelena's BroomStick, & ALL MAGIC1) Criella does have limits for what she can do. She can’t kill. And judging from what The Author said, she may not be able to indirectly cause someone’s death because if so she would have just sent dogs after Author or even Maleficent-Dragon. She probably literally can’t cause someone to die whether it be by her direct hands or animals commands (oooh rhyme!).
I wonder how that “can no longer” clause interacts with time travel and timeless realms.
Anyway, that explains why Chernabog went after Maleficent. Like I said in chat, Mal is the only one of the three who has a high level of evil (which Ursula lacks) and the capabilities to draw out such evil (which Cruella lacks). Cruella doesn’t have the darkest potential because all she is is empty threats.
Any chance Chernabog had good motives but poor communication skills, like Philip?
Or potential could refer to future generations. Maybe Ursula and Cruella are infertile.
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1) If Cruella is really that evil, is really so without limits in her ability to hurt others, why did the Chernobog go after Maleficent? The “Cruella cannot kill” restriction is irrelevant. It’s about her heart. And the “potential” should include Cruella’s potential to manipulate the author into giving her back, which she fully intended to do. Also, Maleficent clearly cares for her daughter. She has a vulnerable side. If we’re to believe this latest ep, Cruella doesn’t care about anyone, which also means she has no limits in what she can do.
PLOT
2) If Cruella is really a terrible person that didn’t care for Lily, why was she so protective of the egg in the first place? And of Ursula? Remember her putting her hand on Ursula’s back when they passed hook?
PLOT? (or acting choice before Victoria learned the backstory of her character)
3) How did Cruella end up in the enchanted Forest? How did she earn the mantle of Queen of Darkness if she couldn’t even kill anyone? Presumably, she CAN manipulate things, like Rumple, so others lose their lives indirectly. But again, that would mean she has the most potential for darkness. (keep in mind they always say darkness, not conscious evil, so this doesn’t contradict my earlier point)
PLOTY PLOT PLOT PLOT PLOTY PLOT PLOT. (I had the same questions and it really *annoys* me that we’re left hanging with this)
Also, how did her CAR get to our world??!
4) Why is it fair to consider Cruella the worst of the worst when she was born like that/became evil at too young an age to know the difference? Was she born evil, did she become that way? Given she was a relatively sheltered child, at what point did she get the opportunity to experience “darkness” and see what it was like?
Because for the writers mental illness is “easier” than fleshing out what good and evil really mean.
5) Why the hell did her mother keep around after she killed her SECOND husband? It should have been pretty obvious by then what would happen. Why did she endanger the life of someone like that? Alice got sent to an institution for less.
PLOT (or stigma?)
6) Why did the Ink only change Cruella’s hair colour? What was the point in that? Did it change her powers somehow, give her additional powers? It is related to how she ended up in the Enchanted Forest? What if there was some paradox effect that the Ink being spilled on her is what “blackened” her history retroactively, as a kind of foreshadowing of what would happen with Lily? I doubt A&E would be that clever.
Because the writers thought it would be a cool visual. Also, some think it might be part of the plot moving forward (ie: Rumple uses the ink in her hair)
7) Didn’t A&E say she originally came from the Enchanted Forest? What happened to that? I guess this origin makes more sense, but there’s too much realms jumping.
They said she was from the EF, but I don’t think they ever said “originally.” I think they meant that when we first met her in 4B she would be in the EF and not some Fictional London.
8) What constitutes an “Animal”? Humans? The Chernobog? Why a Dragon(That may just be a polymorph and not a “Real” dragon, though the Egg suggests otherwise) and not Chernobog?
We don’t do philosophical questions on this show. We tease them and then dance around them. We aren’t interested in real thought provoking analysis. Just shiny.
9) Why would Emma feel so bad about killing her if she really was so beyond redemption? And she was threatening her child, so how could she have known? Cruella might not be able to take the lives of others directly or using her magic, but she can still put people in dangerous situations(like with Lily). She’s not harmless.
PLOT
10) Why didn’t the author take away her powers after she realised she was so evil? Like why leave her with the ability to do evil(even if she couldn’t kill?) Obviously she earned the mantle of Queen of Darkness without the ability to kill directly, so it wasn’t a good idea. He should have taken her ability away as a precaution, as soon as the mother came to see him.
PLOT
11) When are A&E going to admit to having watched Princess Tutu because this whole “Author” thing is very familiar.
I don’t know what this means. Can I still say PLOT?
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Also, how did her CAR get to our world??!
Okay, I’m being serious when I say this, even though it probably sounds like I’m being ridiculous on purpose: I think the car is the author’s horse, which he takes with him in disguise when he travels to other realms. The car can drive itself, and Cruella claimed credit for that, but maybe all that means is that she controls its horse brain.
Not sure how it followed her when she went through the portal without it, but maybe it’s like house elf magic where the command itself provides all the power that the spell needs.
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1) If Cruella is really that evil, is really so without limits in her ability to hurt others, why did the Chernobog go after Maleficent? The “Cruella cannot kill” restriction is irrelevant. It’s about her heart. And the “potential” should include Cruella’s potential to manipulate the author into giving her back, which she fully intended to do. Also, Maleficent clearly cares for her daughter. She has a vulnerable side. If we’re to believe this latest ep, Cruella doesn’t care about anyone, which also means she has no limits in what she can do.
I think it could be something along the lines of what Rumple said in season 2 “Cora is dangerous because she doesn’t have a heart, Regina is even more dangerous because she does”. In other words, Cruella is dangerous because she doesn’t love anything or anyone, Maleficent is more dangerous because she does have someone she loves and that person was taken from her.
4) Why is it fair to consider Cruella the worst of the worst when she was born like that/became evil at too young an age to know the difference? Was she born evil, did she become that way? Given she was a relatively sheltered child, at what point did she get the opportunity to experience “darkness” and see what it was like?
Children do know the difference between right and wrong. I think Cruella did have a strict upbringing, if her mother mothered the same way she trained dogs, so being told not do something probably only made Cruella want to do that thing. It’s highly likely Cruella’s mother told her not to touch the trumpet flowers in the garden because they were poisonous so Cruella did the exact opposite and poisoned her father. Once she had that taste of “darkness” Cruella wanted more.
5) Why the hell did her mother keep around after she killed her SECOND husband? It should have been pretty obvious by then what would happen. Why did she endanger the life of someone like that? Alice got sent to an institution for less.
Possible reasons include
1. Saving face
2. Cruella’s mother thought she could fix Cruella herselfHowever, it’s entirely possible that Cruella’s mother didn’t want to send her to an institution because institutions in that time period weren’t renowned for treating their inmates kindly and at the end of the day Cruella was still her daughter. Alice’s institution wanted to lobotomise her, who knew what they would do to Cruella.
9) Why would Emma feel so bad about killing her if she really was so beyond redemption? And she was threatening her child, so how could she have known? Cruella might not be able to take the lives of others directly or using her magic, but she can still put people in dangerous situations(like with Lily). She’s not harmless.
I don’t think Emma feeling bad is dependent on whether or not Cruella was beyond redemption. Emma would feel bad regardless because she has taken a life and since the hero mantra “heroes don’t kill” conveniently popped back up last episode, it’s going to make Emma question whether or not she is a hero now.
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