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Alright someone explain to me why Rumbelle’s TLK didn’t work. She’s cursed; he’s her true love; it should work (like it has in the past)…so whattup?
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I think I’ve said this before, but I personally think TLK comes down to specific actions and the motivations behind them. It’s really not some “two people are true love, so they always have TLK” kinda thing. Nor is it “you can only have true love between you and one other person for life” thing, either. Even with confirmed true love couples, we’ve seen TLK fail between them during certain occasions, like when Charming’s TLK on Snow didn’t initially work, when Snow had her memories of him wiped away. If I had to guess, Rumple’s TLK didn’t work because he still fears losing his powers, and that’s holding him back. Now I know there have been a ton of debates about what True Love means on this show, but in short that’s how I see it.
Ummm…Rumple loves his power more than Belle. I think that’s why she’s depending on her father to wake her.
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
Maybe Rumple needs to believe that it will work. I think Rumple still may not believe that Belle loves him for him and therefore he doesn’t believe she has true love for him, or maybe Rumple doesn’t believe he is worthy of Belle’s love and therefore true love kiss won’t work. I hope that by the end of this season Rumple will discover that it will work and wakes her up. He just seemed to me like he did not expect it to work but figured he might as well try. Every other time we have seen true love kiss work there was an excess of emotions and an overabundance of the love they felt for each other.
Maybe Rumple needs to believe that it will work. I think Rumple still may not believe that Belle loves him for him and therefore he doesn’t believe she has true love for him, or maybe Rumple doesn’t believe he is worthy of Belle’s love and therefore true love kiss won’t work.
But does this make sense with what Rumple told Belle a few episodes ago: that she loves the Man AND the Beast, not the Man IN SPITE OF the beast? Rumple knows that Belle loves him, and TLK has worked before. She doesn’t like what power does to him but he knows that she does love him.
I know it’s all PLOT but the rules here are pretty unclear.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I don’t know if he does truly believe she loves him. At the end of season 4 she asks him as he lay dying why it wasn’t enough and he stated because I didn’t believe it, who could ever love me (skin deep parallel)This season you have Belle going back and forth wether she wants to make it work or not so why would he all the sudden believe that he is worthy of her love when he has never believed it before.
The thing that I believe makes TLK work is sacrificial love. (I’m trying to figure out how Zelena & Papa Jones fit in with this, but whatever…)
Numerous characters have echoed sentiments about love being sacrifice. The moments when True Love stuff has worked were generally moments when both parties were willing to sacrifice for the other. When it hasn’t worked, it’s generally been because one party wasn’t In That Place (or was unable to BE in that place through lost memories).
Examples, you say? Yessir.
101(and some later episodes, but the same event), Charming wakes Snow White from the sleeping curse: Snow ate the apple to save Charming’s life, sacrificing her own. Charming fought through the infinite forest, Rumplestiltskin, and a dragon to get to Snow, proving that he was willing to sacrifice his own life in return.
112: Belle ALMOST breaks the DO Curse with Rumple: Rumple allows Belle to leave, showing that he’s willing to sacrifice a price and his obvious pleasure in her company for her happiness. Belle chooses to come back (in hopes of saving him from the curse), sacrificing her freedom for what she believes will be his happiness. It doesn’t work because he rejects it halfway through, but that’s another issue. It started to.
122: Emma breaks the sleeping curse on Henry: This parallels the Snow White-Charming kiss; he ate the apple to save Emma, and Emma fought a dragon to try to save him. Both were willing to sacrifice themselves for the other.
201: Phillip wakes Aurora: Though later canon suggests otherwise, Aurora tells us that she underwent the sleeping curse as a sacrifice to protect her kingdom and told Phillip to stay away. Phillip has been through a LOT to try to save her, too…so again, they’re both willing to sacrifice for the other in that moment, and we see more evidence as Phillip takes on the wraith to protect her.
Ruby risked going to the underworld to save Dorothy, the Regal Believer kiss happens only after Regina has given up Storybrooke AND Henry for Henry’s happiness, and even Hades seems willing to give up whatever power it is he has to be with Zelena–he gave up the contract for her, though still wondering how this will play out. But over and over again we see TLK working when both parties are willing to sacrifice their own happiness/life for the other’s, and not working when one or both can’t meet that standard.
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The thing that I believe makes TLK work is sacrificial love. (I’m trying to figure out how Zelena & Papa Jones fit in with this, but whatever…) Numerous characters have echoed sentiments about love being sacrifice. The moments when True Love stuff has worked were generally moments when both parties were willing to sacrifice for the other. When it hasn’t worked, it’s generally been because one party wasn’t In That Place (or was unable to BE in that place through lost memories).
But what about 3×19 when Regina’s TLK with Henry broke Zelena’s memory curse….
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
The thing that I believe makes TLK work is sacrificial love.
I don’t disagree and I think you’re right but given that Rumple is still casually murdering (Pan) and seems content with his dagger, which he happens to really really really love, how is it EVER going to work (with just a few handful of episodes left and other plot thingys coming. It’ll be fast and underwhelming at this point)
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
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