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I think we cant compare RB to CS, especially bc to me that CS scene didnt confirmed CS as True love at all
See I think it did though. We know Emma has unconditional love for her family. So we already knew she would sacrifice herself for them. But the test was whether she would do it for someone who wasn’t a part of her direct family. If it wasn’t true love, wouldn’t she be more inclined to not sacrifice herself for him? But because she treated Hook like family and would have killed herself for him, to me that proved there was unconditional love there. I’m not certain she would sacrifice herself for Belle or Robin. Maybe Regina. Like we are talking about giving up your life here. I’m sorry but Emma isn’t giving up her life for Belle. She’s barely even friends with her. To me, she would do it for her parents, her son Henry, and Regina, her closest friend. Hook is none of those things. So it had to be true love for her to sacrifice herself. At least that’s what I think they are going for here, and I can at least sort of understand it.
[adrotate group="5"]I’m sorry but Emma isn’t giving up her life for Belle. She’s barely even friends with her. To me, she would do it for her parents, her son Henry, and Regina, her closest friend. Hook is none of those things. So it had to be true love for her to sacrifice herself. At least that’s what I think they are going for here, and I can at least sort of understand it.
She’s the Savior. She’s willing to give up her life for anyone, though. That’s her whole cosmic significance. She’s willing to take on the darkness, face any foe, for the the town, her family, her friends, and just the general principle of “good” because at the end of the day, she’s an archetype. I’m not saying she doesn’t love Hook but in terms of confirming TL, it was a weird way to go about it because 1) Emma’s very essence as TL incarnate should be enough and 2) substitute Hook out for anyone that Emma feels a personal or cosmic sense of obligation to and it would still work (and should work no matter what because of the aforementioned TL Incarnate)
ETA: and this is to say nothing of the fact that when the right moment for a TLK did come along–at the elevator, meaning there was no agenda or goal at the end, unlike the hug-tackle previously with a specific goal on the line–the writers still didn’t use their ace in the hole (TLK) on CS. So, yes I think the writers were going for TL confirmation, but they did it in the weirdest way possible.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I’m not certain she would sacrifice herself for Belle or Robin.
So you are saying that the savior, seing belle, or Robin, or Roland, dying in front of her, she would not save them, if she had the oportunity to save them? So what you are saying is that Emma is not savior then.That test, doesnt mean that emma doesnt love Hook, simply means that cant be use to prove TL, bc if someone else was there, ok, if was Rumple or Zelena, i have my doubts, but all the others im sure emma would do the same thing.
That test has loopholes, that can be retcon later, the same thing happens with OQ pixie dust thing, whne you have loopholes, you cant use that to prove anything, you cant retcon True Love Kiss after the couple had it, you cant retcon sharing a heart bc they are True Love. So for me this test, doesnt confirm to me that Cs is TL, bc if they want they can later retcon it.
So far on the show we were told that only TLK and some weird sharing hearts means TL, so im still keeping that way, and before anyone says is something against Cs, is not, bc i totally believe they will be really confirmed TL, the same way TL couples were confirmed aka TLK, in fact like i said above, the OQ pixie dust, so for me confirms nothing about OQ, so yeah, that is why i say that test can`t be compared to RB situation, bc only confirms that Emma may have finally accepted her role as Savior, that she the others, before herself. OK, looking back now i see some similarity with Rumple, in the sense that Rumple has to be prepare to sacrifice everything for other people happiness, even if means he will lose his.
I actually agree with darkonedearie. Emma isn’t going to sacrifice herself for Belle because Emma and her family don’t give a crap about anyone other than themselves. They certainly don’t give a crap about Belle unless she has something they want. For example: When GOAT nearly destroyed the town, the Charmings gathered all their family and friends in the diner which noticeably DID NOT include Belle or Rumple despite them being Henry’s family through Nealfire. Also not included were several CHILD characters such as Hansel, Gretal and Grace who we know were still living in the town and went to Henry’s school. There were no other kids in that diner besides Henry meaning that the “heroes” were going to high tail it out of there and leave children to die.
CS are going to be declared TL, it’s inevitable, but the way the writers have written them getting there is really shoddy. The main issue is that the writers couldn’t be bothered to give Hook a redemption arc but want the rewards of having him redeemed. Unfortunately this is detrimental to Emma’s character as suddenly she’s all over this guy who has given no reason for why he deserves that level of affection from her.
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Keeper of FelixEmma may not care about Belle (or Robin or Red Shirt SB’er #245431) in the same way she cares about Snow or Charming, but there’s a difference between that level of caring and watching someone die in front of your eyes and selfishly choosing yourself over them. Emma–the SAVIOR–would have to be a self-centered 5 year old to not want to save someone that she knows other people do love and care about even if she doesn’t have the same intimacy. And yeah, Emma is a bit of a 5 yr old who only cares about herself and her boyfriend, but the writers don’t think so. Put anyone else in Hook’s position and Emma would still save them.
But Belle or Robin specifically is outside the problem at hand which is that if you were to put Snow, Charming, Regina, Henry or even someone like Elsa, Ruby or Granny in the same slot as Hook, Emma would unquestionably hug-tackle them too. Which suddenly means that she shares true love with Snow, Charming, Regina, Elsa, Ruby or Granny (Henry is less of a problem; we know she has true love with him). So yeah it confirms CS as TL but it’s in a simply strange manner that comes across like the writers didn’t want to commit to it fully (especially when the typical TL confirmation–TLK–had a perfect moment and went without any sort of rainbows). I mean, if CS had TLK right at that final moment in the elevator–a moment of sacrifice on both parts which is what @Keb emphasizes–the problem of Hook’s resurrection is potentially solved, the heroes can get home together, and the final episode of this arc is taking down Hades together. Having a TLK between CS at that elevator moment doesn’t hurt the narrative; it would actually close one chapter and help the narrative move to the next logical point. But the writers didn’t do that. It’s…well, it’s strange enough to ruminate on no matter what you ship.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Having a TLK between CS at that elevator moment doesn’t hurt the narrative; it would actually close one chapter and help the narrative move to the next logical point. But the writers didn’t do that. It’s…well, it’s strange enough to ruminate on no matter what you ship.
I agree. It’s odd that the writers seem to be trying to push CS as true loves yet when they have the opportunity to prove it with a TLK, they don’t.
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Keeper of FelixEmma gave Gold a blank check favor for Ella to keep her baby. Granted, this was before she believed in magic so she probably figured it couldn’t be all that bad, but still.
Emma is definitely a sacrificial person if she believes it will make a difference.
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Alright someone explain to me why Rumbelle’s TLK didn’t work. She’s cursed; he’s her true love; it should work (like it has in the past)…so whattup?
It could be a mom thing, particularly the way this show portrays the power of motherly love: Belle’s true love is her child….trapped with her in an eternal sleep in the hellfire room. Oops.
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Alright someone explain to me why Rumbelle’s TLK didn’t work. She’s cursed; he’s her true love; it should work (like it has in the past)…so whattup?
It could be a mom thing, particularly the way this show portrays the power of motherly love: Belle’s true love is her child….trapped with her in an eternal sleep in the hellfire room. Oops.
Oops indeed LOL. Man, Belle is just doomed now
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"She’s the Savior. She’s willing to give up her life for anyone, though. That’s her whole cosmic significance. She’s willing to take on the darkness, face any foe, for the the town, her family, her friends, and just the general principle of “good” because at the end of the day, she’s an archetype. I’m not saying she doesn’t love Hook but in terms of confirming TL, it was a weird way to go about it because 1) Emma’s very essence as TL incarnate should be enough and 2) substitute Hook out for anyone that Emma feels a personal or cosmic sense of obligation to and it would still work (and should work no matter what because of the aforementioned TL Incarnate)
THIS!
So when Emma sacrificed her happiness by becoming the dark one to ensure Regina got her happy ending at the end of S4, would you all consider that an act of true love as well? I would, and I’m not even a SQ shipper! When Emma pushed Hook out of the way, I would likewise call it an act of true love. But that goes to what @RumplesGirl was saying about that just being what Emma does. She saves people! Her heart is already full of true love thanks to her parentage. She’s the Savior precisely because she is true love incarnate. It’s what makes her special.
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