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BF might not have told Bae about TLK because, if it didn’t work, Bae may have felt that Rumple didn’t truly love him or Rumple may have felt that Bae no longer loved him. Since Bae was the only one at the time who was kind of able to keep Rumple in check, it wouldn’t have been a wise idea to risk destroying that bond between the two.
Good point!
I’m all about Sneaky Fairy being Sneaky, but I agree with the arguments that TLK wouldn’t have worked between Bae and Rumple. Maybe it would in present day, or rather, the near future, because Bae is older and wiser and could become more understanding and forgiving of what Rumple’s thought process is. But YoungBae just wanted his father to be someone different, and TLK only works if you love the person for who they are.
I do wonder if Blue is the most distrusted character on the show. We know Rumple and Regina are layered and messed up. Even Snow had her little internal crisis. But Blue is portrayed as this all-knowing benevolent being who does suspicious things for unknown reasons. I just don’t trust her.
With everyone else, we’ve been shown how no one is perfect, even Snow White has her faults. No one is black and white, they’re all shades of grey. But they want us to just buy that Blue is 100% pure good? Does not compute with what they’ve shown us in regards to everyone else. This makes me suspicious.
[adrotate group="5"]Copying and pasting something Josephine said in the chat…
I don’t know if the BF is dying but the forest seems to be. No more enchanted trees, the beans gone, mines closed. But maybe if the BF is dying, the land dies too.
Maybe it’s PP and/or NL that is dying? And because NL is the birthplace of imagination and belief, which is what magic is made of, NL dying off means all the other magical lands run out of magic too? Sorta like in The Neverending Story. So PP is our Childlike Empress, and the magic dying out in all the lands is the Nothing, and Henry is Bastian, the human boy who is tasked with restoring all the magical stuff that’s been lost when he truly believes.
If something like that has been going on for all this time, then I’d have to think that Blue is in the know and has been doing whatever she needs to do to help the situation move along so that eventually the magic will all be restored by Henry once he gets to NL. “I’m on the right side.” Well if the ultimate goal is for magic to flourish at full capacity once again, then of course she’s on the right side, even if she has to be sneaky along the way. The end totally justifies the means.
I could see that Phee. We have had that idea kicking around for awhile too, since before we met Tiny, but after that episode I changed my mind slightly. Tiny let us know the reason that the fairies had no more beans. It wasn’t that more couldn’t be grown by the Giants, but the Giants refused to give any more to humans who would use the beans for bad reasons.
I strongly suspect BF is just plot devicey, though I do think there are some plot gaps here that could be deliberate by the writers, but many that are unintentional, but could be developed in time into a cool story.
One thing for sure, it would be interesting to tweet the question about why did BF not mention TLK to Bae.
Of course we also are not sure about the effects of TLK as it didn’t work like a light switch and cure Rumpel the minute he had the kiss with Belle. It was starting to work, perhaps because they were starting to truly love or something like that. In SB they kissed and seemed pretty much in love, so not sure either, maybe love not deep enough yet for that magic? Or is it just SB magic is different.
So we can’t say for sure that what ails Rumpel would be cured entirely by TLK. BF only said it was not something that belonged to their realm.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
I could see that Phee. We have had that idea kicking around for awhile too, since before we met Tiny, but after that episode I changed my mind slightly.
Yeah I know the Neverending Story parallel has been tossed around before. Dunno that the last time I’d taken NL into consideration though. After CC, with all the talk about NL being all about imagination and belief and how that’s how magic is made, and with the title of the first ep and how we’re thinking it relates to Henry…it all sorta fits with the Neverending Story theme and Bastian restoring Fantasia through his belief.
Tiny let us know the reason that the fairies had no more beans. It wasn’t that more couldn’t be grown by the Giants, but the Giants refused to give any more to humans who would use the beans for bad reasons.
We have an explanation for the lack of beans, yes. But not for the lack of enchanted trees. Do we have confirmation that the diamond mine was closed, indicating a shortage of fairy dust? I see the mine closure mentioned here and there, but dunno off the top of my head if it was actually mentioned in show.
Not sure I remember the mine closed in FTL just in SB during the curse.
Now here’s something odd–why was Snow White’s casket ripped away to SB, but the entire castle and Emma’s nursery was not? Some things like the mines and Rumpel’s things apparently traveled over.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
The mine was converted into Rumple’s prison. Lack of enchanted trees may not mean EF was dying but that the enchanted trees were over used for a lot of things. We know Gepetto used the last enchanted tree to make the wardrobe. Hook said his ship was made out of enchanted wood so that probably took up more than one enchanted tree. It’s deforestation in the EF.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of Felixbut the entire castle and Emma’s nursery was not?
But the mobile that hung over her crib was. It’s selective magic. 😛
The mine was converted into Rumple’s prison.
Ah, that’s right!
Regarding the trees, I’ve always just sort of assumed that they’re like any other tree in that they can reproduce, and it just so happens that this species is magical. But for whatever reason, they hadn’t been reproducing in recent generations, so the species became extinct.
Maybe this is all just a commentary on overusing our natural resources, and how it can happen in magical worlds just like it happens in our world.
Also about the mines, the dwarfs weren’t working in them at all. They’re bred for one thing…to be workers who don’t fall in love, but here are seven, or eight if you count Stealthy, who no longer are in the mines.
I can’t recall off the top of my head, but wasn’t the cell that Snow and Grumpy in a mine, too?
Keeper of Rumplestiltskin's and Neal's spears and war paint and crystal ball.
They were working in the mines when Grumpy became Grumpy, and not too long after that. When did they stop? When Snow was living with them, or was it just to help take back the kingdom?
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
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