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Actually, Robin didn’t reject the life of the gentry. He was forced out of it by what was happening to his people. And in the end he ended up marrying the King of England’s niece, which would definitely make him one of the royal family. I have no idea if they’re going the royal route with this Marian, but all versions I’ve known she’s the niece of King Richard the Lionhearted.
There’re many different adaptations of RH. In one version, RH is just a humble yeoman and in another he is a knight who willfully rejects the rulership of Prince John in the name of the true king, Richard and chooses to live as an outlaw. What’s common throughout is that he leaves behind his position to become a bandit (by choice or by force) to steal from the wealthy to give to the poor. Maid Marian was first described as a “shepherdess” but with unspecified noble heritage. In later adaptations, she was an orphaned noble woman, a ward of the court, or even the daughter of the sheriff.
I just wish that Adam would respond in any way to any of the tweets about Marian, I know I tweeted about it and I saw a few others do the same. But never an answer. Either, it’s going to be a plot point or he’s just uninterested. Either way, I’d even appreciate a “keep watching” or “ooh, that’s a good idea” rather than silence on the issue.
That’d be nice. Please, ABC gods, let Adam comment on the status of Marian. I have a feeling though that her character, however minor, will play a significant role in Tamara’s backstory and so will be kept under wraps until the appropriate moment of reveal. Ta-da, Tamara is Marian’s lost girl all grown up.
[adrotate group="5"]"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Gosh, agreed on all counts about getting SOME kind of answer.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"When I say he’s gotta be iconic, I mean from the audience’s point of view, on a scale of how legendary a character is. Someone who is the major hero in their story that’s known by everyone the world over. Someone who, you say their name, and everyone instantly recognises them as one of the major stars of the story. You say “Evil Queen” and it instantly conjures up a larger than life mental image. She should be paired with someone who people think of like that. To put her with a lesser character, would give the pairing an unbalanced perception for the audience.
I agree Regina’s love interest needs to be iconic in his own right. Eric would fit the bill. He’s not “big” per se but everyone recognises him.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixSo, we have:
1) RH but problems of maid marian and whether connected to Tamara
2) Eric, in a version of little mermaid where Regina takes the Ursula /Vanessa role
3)Hook but not new, complicated history with two villains, plus already connections with Neal and Emma to explore
4)Triton/male merman, in a flip of the little mermaid story. They did say he would “surface”.
5)Tinkerbell or Ariel but Regina’s past love/interests male. Of course they did hint Regina might not reciprocate the attention.
6)Some character not cast yet appearing in the past in SB, Land without magic, or FTL or NL, or present in NL.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
I can’t believe I’m this caught up in Regina and I don’t even really like her all that much! I think it’s more the mystery than anything else. Maybe I should just go play Clue if I want to solve a mystery. At least there, the mystery is solved at the end. Our Regina mystery will last months if we’re lucky. 😉
Keeper of Rumplestiltskin's and Neal's spears and war paint and crystal ball.
I feel like the only reason I’m invested in Regina’s love life is because I’m invested in other ships that she could potentially wreck (see what I did there?).
Hook = damages Hookriel for me.
Neal = damages SwanFire for me.
Eric = has ramifications for Hookriel.
Triton = Open to it
RH = Open to it unless it messes with Tamara and RH connection in which case no thank you
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I feel like the only reason I’m invested in Regina’s love life is because I’m invested in other ships that she could potentially wreck (see what I did there?).
Hook = damages Hookriel for me.
Neal = damages SwanFire for me.
Eric = has ramifications for Hookriel.
Triton = Open to it
RH = Open to it unless it messes with Tamara and RH connection in which case no thank you
Agree with all of this. I feel like yelling at Regina “don’t mess with my ships!”
Keeper of Rumplestiltskin's and Neal's spears and war paint and crystal ball.
203985 wrote:I feel like the only reason I’m invested in Regina’s love life is because I’m invested in other ships that she could potentially wreck (see what I did there?). Hook = damages Hookriel for me. Neal = damages SwanFire for me. Eric = has ramifications for Hookriel. Triton = Open to it RH = Open to it unless it messes with Tamara and RH connection in which case no thank you
Agree with all of this. I feel like yelling at Regina “don’t mess with my ships!”
All of this! I understand the weirdness with RQ, and the weird family connections. What I don’t understand is why everyone assumes that Regina is for sure going to be the one to kill Tamara. I know why we all *want* her to kill her: because it would be EPIC and she is sooooo goooood at it. I just think that out of all the JR6, the most likely person to want to kill her is Rumple. As far as he’s concerned, Tamara killed his son, and we all know he’s on a death mission out for vengeance. And I think Rumple would exterminate her just as poetically as Regina ever could. Regina could kill Owen, or even PP. He is the one that orchestrated the whole kidnapping. And maybe she has to because Rumple sacrifices himself to save Henry to Regina (and maybe Emma combined) have to do it?
Keeper of the Cheshire Cat’s smile, Baelfire’s sword, Snow’s backpack, Robin Hood’s bow, Ariel’s purse, Ariel’s smile, Henry’s heart, Belle’s shoe collection
True, but he used fairy magic to save the lives of his wife and unborn baby. That is a whole different kettle of fish than dark magic.
Ah, but what determines what’s light magic and what’s dark magic? Let’s ask Rumple…
Rumpelstiltskin: You just need to stop thinking about it. Magic is about emotion. Summon up that moment that made you so angry, you would’ve killed if you could. Once, a man made me kiss his boots in front of my son. Now, in my mind, I go back and I rip out his throat, and I crunch his veins with my teeth. And that, dearie, is how magic is made.
Mr. Gold: Stop thinking! Conjuring magic is not intellectual endeavor. It’s emotion. You must ask yourself, ‘why am I doing this? Who am I protecting?’ Feel it.
What I take from that is that magic is all about the intent. It can come from a twisted place, or from a pure place, but either way, it has the same origin. So it’s really the intent of the individual magic user that determines if it’s light magic, or dark magic.
Regina’s been using her magic in all the wrong ways, with the wrong inspiration. But if she changed her intent, I believe her magic could potentially be used for good instead.
Instead of throwing fireballs at crops, she could enrich the soil and make crops flourish. She could use her magic to help the community in general be more productive, which results in more wealth and prosperity for all the regular folks, and I reckon a guy like Robin would be totally fine with that. He’d be in a position to make decisions about laws, and about how wealth is distributed evenly and fairly to all the people. He’d be able to help more people than he ever could when he was an outlaw, occasionally getting some gold and handing it over to a small group of peasants. They could ultimately be a powerful pair of benevolent rulers.
It’s just a matter of her truly wanting to change, for the right reasons, and I think that if they never give her any sort of genuine change of heart, she’ll just never get her happy ending. She won’t ever end up with any kind of custody of Henry, unless she actually changes, and I can’t see this show ending with Emma officially having sole custody, and Regina being shut out of his life completely. Unless K&H have a death wish.
The reason I doubt Regina could maintain her power and do good with it long-term is that Rumple said he would use his power to help free the children from the Ogres War and then lust of power consumed him as the Dark One.
Well, what were the emotions he was tapping into for all of those years? Yes, he had goodness in his heart of hearts, and yes he did it all to initially help his son, and then to reunite with his son, which is a positive thing to aim for. But his quest was fueled by self loathing, by the need to save face, by shame, by regret, by cowardice, by desperation, and by the need to control everyone. Even before he lost Bae, he was trying to over compensate for how everyone had previously seen him, and then after he lost Bae, it just got a billion times more intense. So for that one good act where he used his power to save children from war…overall, the way he conjured and wielded his power came from a dark place.
Yes, I agree with you here. Since this show is all about hope, I think Regina can become good again. She was willing to die as Regina, rather than as the Evil Queen. I just fear that the events of S3 might delay/put off that possible outcome for a bit.
Oh I agree, she’s gonna start out the season bad and she’s gonna relish in it. When I think about her being able to be with a good man like Robin, I’m imagining it being a season long struggle for her to get to that place. You quoted the article about how maybe she won’t be willing to accept any love that’s offered. That plays into how I imagine this unfolding pretty perfectly, because I imagine that after she goes all EQ in NL, killing again and all, because the end (saving Henry) justifies the means, I doubt she’d feel deserving of any kind of affections from a good man. So even if someone like Robin was willing to give her a chance, she’d resist it. That would actually be some progress for her, because she’s always believed that she deserves the good stuff, even though she does bad stuff. If she does bad stuff and has the regret of that influence her in that she talks herself out of grabbing onto something that’s offered to her, then YAY character development!
So a page or so back, Phee disagreed with me about how Regina isn’t the Regina of “Stable Boy” anymore and how part of her will always be the Evil Queen. I’ve been mulling over this and it has taken me a good page to respond because I really disagree with Phee’s disagreement.
Is it not our experiences that shape us? No matter what, she was the Evil Queen and even if she gives up the power that got her to that place, her emotional state has changed wholly from when she was a little girl. Part of her may forgive Snow but the other part of her may always look at Snow and see the death of Daniel, even if she does love again and moves on. Her being, her core, changed in such an extreme measure that even she gets to a place emotionally where she no longer uses her power, she will always feel the need for it, even if she can temper her desires. And it’s not a matter of not developing her character; if she stopped being even the tiniest bit the Evil Queen, or missing her power and the magic, it wouldn’t be believable. That role defined her and identity negotiation is tricky. Better character development would show the constant struggle to stay “good” even in the face of her more evil/cunning desires. That’s believable.
They have shown us that magic is an addiction and I know there are a lot of philosophies on if addiction is “curable” but I, personally, don’t think it is. Alcoholics can be around alcohol eventually, many many many years down the road, but it’s always a battle. The Evil Queen will always live inside Regina even if she becomes more like her old self. The same can be applied to Rumple. Even if he loses the Dark One’s Curse, he has been changed so much that he can’t ever be the humble spinner he once was. He will probably always miss his power and the courage he thought it gave him, even though he is gradually acknowledging that the desperate clinging to of that power is itself an act of cowardice.
It’s for that reason that I think Regina needs someone who is equally tortured and not “good” as RH is often depicted. Unless he has been radically changed by the death of Marian, which might be a great guess, I don’t think he and Regina will have common ground.So for that reason, and for the larger reason of messing with my beloved “Tamara is the daughter of RH” theory, that I can’t fully get on board team RegalHood.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
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