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August 10, 2013 at 2:01 pm #204046PheeParticipant
What I mean is the power imbalance is there but Regina wasn’t in the relationship just because she thought she had power over Daniel. Daniel seemed to be Regina’s first romantic relationship so that kind of sets the standard for future relationships. Because of the social status difference, Regina was the one in power in that relationship.
Fair enough, I can see that she technically had the upper hand, due to the nature of their situation.
I think Regina felt something for Graham but I don’t think it was love. Graham must have had some sort of feeling for Regina, not love (don’t shoot me) but he continued to be with her even though she had his heart stored away and wasn’t in direct control of it, and he was unaware that she had his heart, so what did he think his feelings towards her was?
In SB, he didn’t have feelings, he was just going through the motions, but he didn’t realise that he didn’t have any feelings, or that going through the motions was weird, until Emma showed up and the Curse started to weaken and he started to wake up. Some quotes from Heart Is A Lonely Hunter…
Graham: I’m sorry, I just-
Emma: What? You what?
Graham: I need to feel something.
Emma: I’m sorry. I thought we were talking in a metaphor here. You really think you don’t have a heart?
Graham: It’s the only thing that makes any sense. It’s the only thing that explains why I don’t feel anything.
Graham: It has nothing to do with her. You know, I’ve realized that I don’t feel anything, Regina. And I know now it’s not me – it’s you.
Regina: So, you’re leaving me for her?
Graham: I’m leaving you for me.
Regina: Graham, you’re not thinking straight.
Graham: Actually, for the first time, I am. I’d rather have nothing than settle for less. Nothing? Is better than what we have. I need to feel something, Regina, and the only way to do that is to give myself a chance.
I guess her having his heart locked up in a box was enough for her to be able to control his actions. She could take it out and play with it if she was feeling dramatic, but it wasn’t actually necessary.
[adrotate group="5"]August 10, 2013 at 2:02 pm #204047RumplesGirlKeymasterAck, no, I don’t believe in Saint Regina, (and sometimes I wanna reach into the screen and give Snow a good hard shake)! I just think, basically, she’ll be redeemed to the point where people who currently don’t trust her, will trust her. The Charmings will be able to let Henry live with her part time, because they won’t fear for his physical and/or mental safety any more when he’s in her care. She’ll never be a saint, but she doesn’t have to remain evil, either. And if she’s in a relationship with a “good” man who is influencing her, that’s gonna make her redemption to that point of being trustworthy more believable IMO, because we already know she can’t be trusted if left to her own devices.
This is interesting (and I agree with you about Snow. Sometimes the “perfectly pure goodness” is so extreme and unnatural that I roll my eyes. But I’m a cynic…). Anyway, now that I’ll have die hard Snow fans wanting to kill me…back to Regina?
Part of me agrees and part of me wonders if you can ever fully trust someone who has tried to kill you so many times. Snow, probably, because that is just part of her nature. Despite what she said in heat of the moment after coming upon the dead bodies of the village in “The Evil Queen” I do think she has always been willing to give Regina a chance, and I think she’ll continue to give her chances. That’s what makes Snow, Snow.
Charming? I’m so torn with him. On the one hand, he’s incredibly moral like Snow, but not to the point of almost foolishness. I think because he has been the one watching Regina set out to kill Snow, his one true love, he will always be wary of her. He may let Henry into her life, but I think he will continue to keep a close eye on her.
Emma is a lot like her mother; she’ll give Regina chances because at the end of the day Regina *did* raise her son for 10 years and I have never doubted that Regina does love Henry. She just needs to learn that she can’t have it all. And to share. Sharing is what Regina needs to learn right off the freaking bat.
One more point, the idea of a man influencing her. This makes me cringe a bit because it almost sounds like she Regina has no agency and can’t change unless someone is there directing her. This was the MAJOR issues I had with “We are Both” where it many people started to claim that Regina was only the way she was because of her Mother and Rumple. But that’s not true. In the end, she chose magic and power, even though she didn’t want to become her mother; she became Cora, right down to the heart collecting. There was something in her that longed for that power, much like Rumple, to deal with feeling powerless in other aspects of their life. Rumple was the village coward and Regina was emotionally beaten by Cora but she still CHOSE to become what she did. She has her own agency and I don’t think you’re trying to take it away, but I really need her to redeem, as much as any addict can and still be true to the character they are, I need her to do it on her own. Which is why I think it’s better for a man who is equally “gray” morally to be there. They’ll understand each other. He won’t be constantly pushing her toward “white-hat good” because she had never been that and to ask her to be that is removing her own agency and forcing her into a mold to which she does not belong."He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"August 10, 2013 at 2:18 pm #204049PheeParticipantPart of me agrees and part of me wonders if you can ever fully trust someone who has tried to kill you so many times.
If it were me, I wouldn’t be able to. It’s just that within the context of the show, I reckon they’re gonna have to have people come around to trusting her again to a certain degree. FTL rules apply here, not real world. If we were playing by real world rules, Regina would have been locked up and had the key thrown away ages ago, but things work differently in FTL, people relate to each other differently, disputes are settled differently.
One more point, the idea of a man influencing her. This makes me cringe a bit because it almost sounds like she Regina has no agency and can’t change unless someone is there directing her. This was the MAJOR issues I had with “We are Both” where it many people started to claim that Regina was only the way she was because of her Mother and Rumple. But that’s not true. In the end, she chose magic and power, even though she didn’t want to become her mother; she became Cora, right down to the heart collecting.
Oh, I agree, each of Regina’s bad decisions and evil deeds is ultimately on her own head. When I say she’ll have a man there to influence her, I’m just saying like, if someone’s an addict, you don’t expect them to be able to drag themselves out of that dark hole and get better all on their own. And with Regina, there’s really no one who she could lean on for that type of support, because even if it was offered genuinely, she wouldn’t believe in it. She doesn’t trust the Charmings any more than they do her. She’s been to Archie for help before, but that was before the incident where her mother kidnapped and fake killed him, so I can’t really see her confiding in him ever again. Henry shouldn’t be burdened with having to be his mother’s emotional rock. That’s why I think the new guy is gonna be the one who she’ll come to rely on.
August 10, 2013 at 2:55 pm #204054PriceofMagicParticipantI don’t think Regina should have to rely on someone to keep her on the path of good because that’s not fair on the other person. That’s a 24/7 job.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixAugust 10, 2013 at 3:34 pm #204056PheeParticipantSo Regina just has to do it all on her own 24/7? Because if so, she’s never even gonna get started on the right track, because at the moment, she’s got no one truly on her side. Rumple has Belle, so I don’t see why Regina can’t also have someone to support and guide her in a similar way.
August 10, 2013 at 3:42 pm #204058PriceofMagicParticipantRegina needs to decide to reform because she wants to not because someone is pushing her too.
It’s like giving up cigarettes, you have to want to quit, otherwise all the support in the world isn’t going to help you.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixAugust 10, 2013 at 4:07 pm #204064PheeParticipantOh I agree, it’s not gonna stick unless she decides to commit to it for all the right reasons. But I don’t think that negates the possibility of someone giving her a hand, or even a kickstart. Some people are so far gone, they need an intervention to help get the process moving to begin with. We’ve seen that when Regina’s left to look after her own business, she fails, or when she’s got a bad influence, she fails, and she’s not one to take advice from people who would be a good influence on her. So something will have to change with her personally if she’s ever gonna succeed, and that something could be allowing someone to support and help her and believe in her. They’ve said there’s gonna be love on offer, but she may not be willing to accept it. Her going through this particular struggle could be what they were alluding to.
August 10, 2013 at 4:31 pm #204077PriceofMagicParticipantNot Robin Hood.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixAugust 10, 2013 at 5:13 pm #204145PheeParticipantFrom D23…
Maybe find a great soulmate for Regina if she'd only let love in. #OnceUponaTime
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August 10, 2013 at 6:50 pm #204172RumplesGirlKeymasterAlong with this one
Lots more Robin Hood! #D23Expo #OnceUponaTime
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Pretty sure it was around this time that I said something like *waits for Phee to do victory dance*
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