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I wouldn’t mind if she rescued a Lost Boy to mother so long as she doesn’t set Henry aside to do it. He is still her son.
Also: “more drama queen than evil queen” <--perfect.
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Oh so now Regina is his mother? She has done nothing but love that boy, and yes she was strict! What mother isn’t? And anything or anyone she has loved has been taken from her, so excuse her for being a bit paranoid when Emma came to town! Not to mention that this is the same boy that constantly has shown how much he hates her, and rebellious towards her!
He has chosen the Charmings on every opportunity granted to him, and not once visited Regina after she released him into David’s care! I don’t see David’s problem with Regina in the second part of season 2 because they were actually becoming friends before Ms. White and Ms. Swan came back to town. But I’ve always said after seeing how Henry has treated Regina since episode one that she needs to pack all of his stuff up, and toss it out her house to Emma and Neal!
He wants to go with his real mother, I say Regina hands him over! Less problems and stress on her part. Why fight and love a child who does nothing but spit in your face, and runs back to his bio-mom who gave him up, at the first chance he gets! True Regina has done her bad deeds, but that’s before the curse. When she adopted Henry, she truly loved him as we will hopefully see in this upcoming season.
And he hurt her deeply every time he rebelled, which is why A&E got a lot of bad reviews concerning how this kid treats the mother who adopted, raised, and loved him. He didn’t even run to check to see if Regina was alright in 2×09 when she absorbed all of that thunder and lighting, but ran straight to Emma! And he instantly turned against her when they thought Archie was dead without even wanting to hear her side of the story! Then manipulates her love for him just so she could help him out to save his family, or to have mercy on his family! The only credit I would give Henry is when he stood up to save his mother in 2×01 and 2×17! But besides that, nothing else.
Regina needs a new love, and her own child so they can renew the damage that the Charmings have caused her emotionally, and the Charmings need therapy to renew the damage that Regina caused them emotionally before they can all become one big happy family! So I support Regina if she decides to get herself a new endgame man and biochild or Lost Boy!
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
Parent and childen do not have an equal relationship. Children are not as emotionally mature as adults. Parents should understand this. Yes, Regina has had an awful life, but so have other characters, like Bae, Emma and Snow. They did not try to curse an entire realm to “win” to make sure everyone else suffered and was unhappier. They’ve made mistakes, sure. They aren’t serial killers.
They aren’t emotionally abusing Henry by trying to make him think he is crazy. They don’t terrorize him by trying to kill people he cares about. That is not being strict. That is being psychopathic.
Regina was not just “a little” paranoid. She was not completely sweet and wonderful after the curse, her treatment of Owen shows us that, but we saw it in how she treated not only Emma, but other people like Katherine. If that’s how she treats her “friends”, hate to be her enemy–oops, everyone is her enemy! Oh wait, there’s one person who isn’t–that’s right, Henry.
Henry isn’t being awful to Regina. Even when he is scared of her and what she will do, he ultimately wants her to change. He is coping the best he can in an extremely crazy situation. A situation that Regina largely set in motion. Yes, Rumpel and Cora manipulated her/abused her and all that, but she had choices, and she made them in a way that resulted in a lot of pain and suffering for others, including her son.
If she just gets a new child, like he’s some kind of dog who is acting up and she’ll replace him with one more loyal because she’ll do a better job isolating him from loving anyone else….then I suggest she get a daughter. With long golden hair and put her in a tower. Visit her once a year, after making her lower her hair and climbing it.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
Oh so now Regina is his mother? She has done nothing but love that boy, and yes she was strict! What mother isn’t? And anything or anyone she has loved has been taken from her, so excuse her for being a bit paranoid when Emma came to town! Not to mention that this is the same boy that constantly has shown how much he hates her, and rebellious towards her!
Regina has always been his mother, but I don’t think she’s always been a good mother, and it hasn’t always been safe for Henry to be in her custody.
I imagine she was great mother and they had a great relationship until the day when…
Henry: Mom, I’ve noticed something lately. All the kids who were in my class 2 years ago, they’re still in the same grade, but I’m not. And I’m a lot taller than them now. Why is that?
Regina: Don’t be silly dear, you’re just imagining things.
Henry: No I’m not, really mom, it’s weird. Why is it happening? Why am I different? Am I some kind of freak?
Regina: I’ll make you an appointment with Dr Hopper.That’s when she began emotionally abusing him and their relationship just kept going downhill from there. She knew the truth and the answers he needed, and instead she insisted he was delusional and sent him to a shrink. She had her reasons, she was understandably terrified of him learning the truth, but that doesn’t excuse her mistreatment of him.
Then he got clued in and figured the truth out for himself. He discovered who his mother really is. Now she wasn’t just the one who was making him feel crazy, she was also a murderer and an evil witch. If any kid discovered that their parent was a murderer, I’d expect that child to be afraid and not want to be around their parent. So Henry needed someone else, another parental figure he would feel safe with, and he figured out that his bio mother was the child of Snow and Charming, and was destined to be a hero who was gonna save everyone.
Adopted mother – killed and cursed an untold number of people.
Bio mother – destined Saviour who’s gonna help an untold number of people.
I know which option I’d feel safer having around, so I can’t fault Henry for bringing Emma into their lives.Yes, of course it’s understandable that Regina was paranoid when that happened, because she’s lost love before and that loss destroyed her. But it wasn’t just that fear of losing him that drove her actions, it was also in large part because she desperately needed to keep her secret and not have the Curse broken, not have good win, not have Snow and Charming reunited and happy. And because of all of that, her son suffered.
He wants to go with his real mother, I say Regina hands him over! Less problems and stress on her part. Why fight and love a child who does nothing but spit in your face,
She’s loved him his entire life, the best way she knew how. And even though she keeps digging herself in deeper, somewhere inside she knows that she’s doing wrong, and Henry is justified in being confused and scared about their relationship. To quote Regina herself…
“I don’t know how to love very well. I wasn’t capable of it for a very long time, but I know I remember… If you hold onto someone too hard, that doesn’t make them love you. I’m sorry I lied to you. And that I made you feel like I didn’t know who you are. But I want you to be here, because you want to be here. Not because I forced you, and not because of magic. I want to redeem myself.”That proves that she does actually have the capacity to see reason. She is capable of being self aware and acknowledging that she’s screwed up. She can even acknowledge that her past relationship with her mother is now impacting her own relationship with her son in the same negative ways. She’s just gotta be able to make the right decisions if she’s gonna take that self awareness and turn it into positive change. The fact that she can look at herself in that light though, is what proves there’s still hope for her.
This future romance will with any luck nurture any scrap of positivity she has in her life, (which I imagine will be more than just a scrap after she’s proven herself by helping to save Henry in NL), and if she’s got some positive energy in her life for a change, then with any luck she’ll start moving in a more stable and healthy direction. Just as negativity breeds more negativity, so will positivity breed more positivity. Positivity hasn’t exactly had a chance to get a strong foothold in her life.
True Regina has done her bad deeds, but that’s before the curse.
Arranging for Kathryn to die, (not what happened, but it’s what Regina had intended to happen), and framing someone, Henry’s grandmother no less, for the murder, and then having her pawn Sidney locked up for something she herself did, is a string of very bad deeds, and that all happened after she’d cast the Curse.
He didn’t even run to check to see if Regina was alright in 2×09 when she absorbed all of that thunder and lighting, but ran straight to Emma!
He hadn’t seen Emma for a while and had been living each day not knowing if she was dead or alive or if he’d ever see her again. So yes, he ran to her when he saw she was safe, and that was a perfectly natural reaction IMO. And it’s not like he ignored Regina in that scene, in fact, he told them, “She saved you. She saved both of you.” Despite the fact that moments earlier, she’d been prepared to restrain him kicking and screaming as he watched his mother and grandmother fried right in front of him, he still made sure it was known that she’d saved them.
And he instantly turned against her when they thought Archie was dead without even wanting to hear her side of the story!
Henry wasn’t told anything about Archie until after they’d got what they thought was definitive proof. He was surely told the proof they had, and he knows that magic works, and he trusts Emma, and she’s the one who did the magic that revealed the evidence. All things considered, it seemed like a pretty open and shut case.
Then Regina went into hiding, so even if Henry had wanted to speak to her about it, he couldn’t, because he didn’t know where she was. Going into hiding made her look even more guilty. Henry didn’t want to believe that she’d done it, but the evidence was simply undeniable. So when Archie showed up and Henry went from, “We need an armoury to protect ourselves from her” to “I knew she didn’t do it,” in one scene, that was him being relieved that he now had new evidence that his mother hadn’t actually killed his friend, just like he’d hoped all along.
Regina was in hiding for the events of 2 full eps after she’d watched as Henry was told about Archie. She didn’t come out of hiding until after Henry had left town. So it’s unfair to give him grief for not having gone to her for her side of the story, because it was her own fault that he didn’t know where she was to be able to go and talk to her. She could have let them arrest her while still proclaiming her innocence, and there could have been a supervised visit at the Sheriff station where she could see Henry and tell her side of the story. Instead, she isolated herself, which played right into Cora’s hands.
Regina’s life story is tragic, but she’s not completely blameless for the hot mess she’s ended up in, or for how people see her. She can say, “I’m the Queen, you’re the ones who added Evil to my name,” all she wants, but the fact is, if you go around ordering the slaughter of innocent peasants in your attempt to murder your innocent step-daughter…that’s pretty evil.
Just think about how Snow acted when she realized that Gepetto put Pinnochio through and she could have been with Emma. (which I still think was wrong of her to slap him, it is ALWAYS about the CHARMINGS)
I think Snow was justified in slapping Gepetto. Emma grew up alone because of him, yes he had his reasons for doing what he did, but still Emma could have grown up with at least one parent. Snow’s immediate “I forgive you” felt forced in my opinion, I think Snow should have been angry at Gepetto a little bit longer then forgiven him.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixThe one thing I didn’t like about Henry is season 2 was the way he’d run between adults the moment things weren’t going his way. He would manipulate Regina into doing something such as destroying the curse then run off to be with Emma rather than acknowledging Regina. He could have told Regina that she didn’t need the curse because he did love her but instead he ran off with Emma the moment Regina did the “right” thing. With Emma, the moment she didn’t live up to the pedestal he put her on, he started trying to cosy up to Neal and Rumple.
Regina shouldn’t just palm Henry off and get a new child because Henry is still her son, but Henry should at least treat Regina like his mother not when it just suits him to do so.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixPhee, so well said!
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
Regina reminds me of the mother in Stepmom with Julia Roberts and Susan Sarandon. She doesn’t want to share her child and I believe any mother with an adopted child would feel the same way, when the biological parents (especially the mother) come back into the child’s life.
As much as I hate the evil things Regina has done, my heart breaks for her over the Henry thing. Here is a child she has loved with all her heart since she held him in her arms when he was an infant. She even said so to Emma that she was the one to hold him when he was sick or scared. She was there, not Emma. As a mother it breaks my heart to see Henry chose Emma/The Charmings over and over again. Sometimes I want to shake Henry and make him see how much Regina loves him.
However, at this point in time Henry only sees her as the Evil Queen. I wish it was her tear that woke him and broke the spell at the end of Season 1. I know that Emma was the one to save everyone, but still, Regina has loved him all his life. Sometimes he does show compassion for her but it is shown sporadically.
I guess this is why I want her to find someone who truly cares about her and doesn’t have a hidden agenda.
Good points all around. Like kpercyman said, we have audience perspective. We can see how much Regina loves Henry because we are privy to her moments where she shows it; however no one else is with her at the time, most importantly Henry. All Henry sees is a woman who continually told him that he was crazy, tried to hold him captive, and tried to kill his extended family on numerous occasions. And even though I KNOW she didn’t mean to, she is the reason he almost died. Her reckless behavior and desire “to win” and to have everything almost cost him his life.
Henry a very special kid and he probably loved his mother very much, unquestioningly, before he got the book. Once he got the book and came out of the fog, he replaced all the people in his life with his storybook characters, and Regina stopped being “Mom” and started being “Evil Queen” and it was only compounded by the fact that Regina herself started acting very evil queen."He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Regina has always been looking for love, but that’s been very distorted thanks to her mother. Had Cora kept her heart, Regina would have known a mother’s true love. Daniel would have lived. With him, Regina had at last found true love, and she told young Snow that true love creates happiness. So, when heartless Cora murdered Daniel, Regina’s hope of happiness sort of died with him. Regina and her father probably could have fled to another kingdom, started anew, and perhaps Regina could have learned to be happy again. However, Regina allowed her hatred over what happened to Daniel to shape the rest of her life. Regina, the victim of abuse, became an abuser and took out her revenge on a weak target, Snow, rather than directly confronting her mother. Regina later banished her mother and killed her father to cast the Dark Curse. So, Regina’s last bit of happiness in the EF died with her dead dad.
Is it any wonder that Regina was unable to have her happy ending by watching other people suffer? Casting the dark curse left a huge hole in Regina’s heart, just as Rumple and Maleficent had warned her it would. Regina thought she could be “happy” in our world by depriving everyone else of their happiness, but that’s just a spell for misery. It’s like a selfish child who says, “if I can’t be happy, nobody can be happy.” We saw how Regina tried to fill the void by having Graham in her bed, trying to kidnap Owen and eventually adopting Henry. She was trying to fill a void in her heart, which was the price she had to pay for casting the Dark Curse. While Regina has always cared for Henry and met his daily needs, she was unable to show him love the way he needed since she had this huge hole in her heart. Even young children can be very discerning and tell when their parents are insincere. Also, Regina did gaslight her son by trying to convince him he was crazy for believing in the curse. That type of manipulation is a form of psychological child abuse. It’s clear why Henry began to doubt her word and began to search for truth.
Regina’s vain attempts to keep the curse in tact by murdering Graham, attempting to have Kathryn murdered, framing Mary Margaret for murder and trying to poison Emma only resulted in Henry gong under the sleeping curse. It was lucky for Regina that Emma was there to save Henry. Regina’s chance for redemption began when Emma broke the curse and finally the hole that had been in Regina’s heart was filled with true love for Henry. For the first time, Regina cried with mother’s love over her son’s life being saved. That was the first time I really sympathized with Regina and at the end of S1 I really wanted the best for her. S2, however, was anything but smooth sailing. And while we’ve seen Regina take one step forward at times, she always takes two steps backwards. My hope is that she can learn to stop letting her emotions of jealousy and revenge cloud her rational judgement. We know she’s going to go all sorts of Evil Queen mode on Henry’s kidnappers, and that’s justifiable. I just hope she knows better than to target Henry’s family again after very nearly blowing up SB and killing all of Henry’s loved ones. Magic always comes with a price! The sooner she internalizes that the better.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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