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[RumplesGirl]

Why would PP write the book and for what reason he could care less about everyone in SB or any where else. I also don’t think Blue wrote it either I am still betting on Rumple that wrote the book.

It’s not that he care about the people in SB. It’s that the book is the catalyst for Henry to wake up and bring Emma to town which causes all of S1 which causes all of S2 which leads to Henry being kidnapped by GOAT and taken to NL so that PP can take his heart. We’re looking at a series of cause and effect.

Cause: Henry lives in SB and is “in a fog” (as A and E have said)

Effect: he is a lonely little boy

Cause: MM sees this about Henry, takes pity on him, and gives him the book

Effect: Henry “wakes up” out of his Cursed Fog

Cause: Henry comes to realize that he is living in a Cursed town, has been adopted by the EQ, and his biological mother is the Savior

Effect: He goes in search of Emma

And so on and so forth. The book is an integral part of how PP eventually gets Henry but first all those chess pieces must be in place. It has nothing to do with PP’s regard for the citizens of SB.

The story of the Prince and the Pauper might be among the stories in Henry’s book. If so, then Emma might realize that body swapping is feasible in the fairytale realms.

Oh nice reference. It might be in there, though strictly speaking it’s not a fairytale–sorta like Frankenstien.

[HappyEndings]

t’s not that he care about the people in SB. It’s that the book is the catalyst for Henry to wake up and bring Emma to town which causes all of S1 which causes all of S2 which leads to Henry being kidnapped by GOAT and taken to NL so that PP can take his heart. We’re looking at a series of cause and effec

If PP wanted just Henry, he wouldn’t had needed Tamara/Owen etc. He also could care less if Emma broke or came to town all he wanted was Henry which apparently SB is the only town that the shadow couldn’t reach other wise why wait tell Henry was 11 and why didn’t the Darling Brothers follow Regina back to SB to take the baby.

[RumplesGirl]

RumplesGirl wrote: t’s not that he care about the people in SB. It’s that the book is the catalyst for Henry to wake up and bring Emma to town which causes all of S1 which causes all of S2 which leads to Henry being kidnapped by GOAT and taken to NL so that PP can take his heart. We’re looking at a series of cause and effec

If PP wanted just Henry, he wouldn’t had needed Tamara/Owen etc. He also could care less if Emma broke or came to town all he wanted was Henry which apparently SB is the only town that the shadow couldn’t reach other wise why wait tell Henry was 11 and why didn’t the Darling Brothers follow Regina back to SB to take the baby.

As soon as Regina decided to take back Henry in 309 and keep him forever, PP couldn’t get to him until the Curse was broken. The Darling Brothers say, “Pan won’t be happy.” “We won’t stop, we’ll get that baby.” The DBs were there to get baby Henry and bring him to PP. But once Regina made up her mind to keep him forever, he was locked inside of SB and the town’s curse. The DBs could not follow Regina or enter SB. They are not of the EF, but rather of our world and thus unable to cross over the town line. We don’t know that the Shadow could enter SB either, or that the Shadow would even be willing to help out Pan given that he wasn’t exactly friendly with Malcolm.

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[kfchimera]

Happy Endings:  RG is right about why Pan might have wanted Henry to have a wake-up trigger, but I think BF  or August makes more sense.  I can’t remember, was there ever anything said that confirmed it is not August? I think they tweeted not Jefferson.

If it were Pan, and he couldn’t get agents inside, how did he get the book inside?  I think of two possible ways, August was his agent and August could get inside or more likely,  the shadow could get inside but was of limited use, as it could not take Henry without Henry asking to go.  It could however deliver the book somewhere.

So I would say Pan is a possibility if my speculation is true the Shadow could do something like that.

I still think August makes the most sense as the writer, because he was a writer and added his part in the same style. Most of the big ‘reveals’ haven’t been that deep so far.  As to  how he knew all this stuff, I think BF TOLD him all these stories (fairy tales) and August physically wrote them down.

We also have the line that he looked familiar to Regina and we’ve debated before how that seems more like she saw him as an adult than recognized him as a child, but it could go either way.

If August or BF, it makes sense Whale is not in the book, because BF didn’t know that bit.

Are there anythings in there (other than flying monkeys) we could say for sure she wouldn’t have reason to know?  Not that she couldn’t know about Whale but just that we didn’t see any evidence she did know him.  She doesn’t really seem to react to him when the curse lifts, but I have to re-watch it.

Now I’m wondering if Pan had agents waiting to see if Henry left, and maybe the moment he did, he sent in the DB’s to snatch him.  I’m picturing   the DBs on the street outside Emma’s apartment, and cursing their luck, that they’ve just left. Then  a few car lengths behind the yellow bug, a red convertible with a teddy bear keychain is speeding, trying to catch up and then slams into a barrier before it can!   Foiled again.

I’d like to imagine that Pan had the DBs recruit folk like GOAT because he wanted to keep the magic resources of the “Land without (much) Magic” low, or because it was useful to get into SB that way without alerting Rumple or Regina.  That’s why I don’t think Pan would send his shadow, as it would have tipped them off.

That’s all “retcon” reasoning though, because really I don’t think the writers had in mind that Pan was Rumple’s father and after Henry from the start of the show.

 

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[HappyEndings]

They said August didn’t write the book, also August didn’t know where SB was when he came over with Emma how he found it when Emma was in town is beyond me I guess another pot hole.

[RumplesGirl]

I can’t remember, was there ever anything said that confirmed it is not August? I think they tweeted not Jefferson.

I seem to remember a confirmation that it wasn’t August, but if someone has the tweet, can you please post it?

If it were Pan, and he couldn’t get agents inside, how did he get the book inside? I think of two possible ways, August was his agent and August could get inside or more likely, the shadow could get inside but was of limited use, as it could not take Henry without Henry asking to go. It could however deliver the book somewhere. So I would say Pan is a possibility if my speculation is true the Shadow could do something like that.

The reason I still say Blue, outside of Sneaky Fairy is Sneaky, is that we don’t know what “the final preparations” of the Fairies were. I think during that time Blue made sure the book would come with her to SB where she would eventually give it to MM who gave it to Henry. There are two questions when it comes to the book: who wrote it and who got it to Mary Margaret? During a #AskKeegen once, Keegan was asked if she thought Blue gave MM the book and her response was, “I would think so.” Not saying we should take that as canon but I think it helps out certain headcanons.

Are there anythings in there (other than flying monkeys) we could say for sure she wouldn’t have reason to know? Not that she couldn’t know about Whale but just that we didn’t see any evidence she did know him. She doesn’t really seem to react to him when the curse lifts, but I have to re-watch it.

I can’t think of anything. And my own personal headcanon is that Blue knows Oz and the fairies that live there. 🙂

Now I’m wondering if Pan had agents waiting to see if Henry left, and maybe the moment he did, he sent in the DB’s to snatch him. I’m picturing the DBs on the street outside Emma’s apartment, and cursing their luck, that they’ve just left. Then a few car lengths behind the yellow bug, a red convertible with a teddy bear keychain is speeding, trying to catch up and then slams into a barrier before it can! Foiled again.

I actually think this is incredibly likely. What have the DBs been doing all these years? When we saw them in 309, 11 years ago, they looked the exact same as they did in 307 in present day SB. Did they go back to NL for 11 years? Did they come and go?

I’d like to imagine that Pan had the DBs recruit folk like GOAT because he wanted to keep the magic resources of the “Land without (much) Magic” low, or because it was useful to get into SB that way without alerting Rumple or Regina. That’s why I don’t think Pan would send his shadow, as it would have tipped them off. That’s all “retcon” reasoning though, because really I don’t think the writers had in mind that Pan was Rumple’s father and after Henry from the start of the show.

They didn’t. A and E said they came up with it at some point during S2 in prep for S3. But I don’t know if it’s retcon so much as, “we left enough holes that now we can go back and fill them in.” Didn’t you say over in the adoption thread that they don’t know the whole story, they have huge outlines but with enough wiggle room to add as they go?

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