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With its Season 4A finale, ABC’s Once Upon a Time sent the Frozen folks back to Arendelle while welcoming to the canvas three famously wicked women: Maleficent (played again by True Blood’s Kristin Bauer), sea witch Ursula (Alias‘ Merrin Dungey) and Cruella de Vil (Dracula’s Victoria Smurfit). The winter finale also found the beast’s beauty playing hero, while Regina lost a lover but gained a helper for Operation Mongoose.
TVLine invited series creators Adam Horowitz and Eddy Kitsis to talk about the show’s magical take on Cruella, Rumple’s “collision course” with Regina, dismiss one fan theory and confirm a most logical return.
TVLINE | So I’m looking at the Queens of Darkness — and keep in mind, Victoria Smurfit seemed to get a great reception from our readers — and yet there’s a sense of “One of these things is not like the other.” Suffice to say you’re taking some liberties with Cruella de Vil?
ADAM HOROWITZ | Yes. The traditional Cruella from the classic animated movie has been a jumping off point for our own rendition. If viewers watch what we have in store, you’ll see that while honoring some of the history behind the character, we’re putting a twist on Cruella’s background that involves the Enchanted Forest and a dollop of magic.
TVLINE | Can you give a hint as to how her magic leans?
EDDY KITSIS | It leans towards what she wears on her back. It deals with animals.
HOROWITZ | And it’s dark.TVLINE | Regarding Rumple’s pitch to Ursula: How might their mission, and how it involves The Author, differ from what Regina and Henry are up to?
KITSIS | It’s not that it’s different. It’s setting them on a collision course. As we saw in that [car] scene last night, Regina laid out to him, “Villains don’t get a happy ending, so I’m going to find this author,” and he said, “That’s bulls–t. Watch me take one.” Well, that blew up in his face, and now he is a man without magic in a land where he is very much not in control, so he’s beginning to see what she said. He has reached a point in his life where he is now asking for help — he can’t do it alone — and he thinks that Regina is on to something.
TVLINE | Would you call Rumple the Big Bad for Season 4B, with the Queens of Darkness almost as his “backup singers”?
KITSIS | Rumple is absolutely the Big Bad. And I would also say that the three women can more than hold their own. It’s a very formidable team of evil coming our way.
TVLINE | I wanted to get some clarity about the lakeside mansion — it belongs to the Sorcerer…?
HOROWITZ | Well, it sure seems that way….TVLINE | But the Sorcerer is not necessarily the Author.
HOROWITZ | Well, there are some assumptions that characters are making, and that stuff will be cleared up very quickly in 4B. But yes, everyone is assuming that that’s the Sorcerer’s mansion. And some are wondering if he is or isn’t the Author….TVLINE | Would you want to rule out one fan theory, that the Sorcerer will turn out to be Yen Sid?
KITSIS | The sorcerer from Fantasia? Yeah, we can rule that out.
HOROWITZ | The Fantasia story is a jumping off point. We have something else in mind for the Sorcerer’s background.TVLINE | Some thought the Emma/Hook Once-Captain Swan reunion felt a bit rushed, especially for someone carrying such a fear about losing the men she loves. Was that a time issue? That you had other story masters to serve?
KITSIS | We would have loved to do 40 minutes of them kissing, but we had a lot to get in.
HOROWITZ | We felt like it was a sweet moment between the two of them, her returning his heart and then the kiss. Could there have been a lot more? Yeah. But there’s still plenty of episodes left in the season.
KITSIS | We thought the kiss and the way she put his heart back said [a lot]…. But the truth is they’re a couple that is continuing, so we’d rather watch them grow together and see what happens.TVLINE | I very much enjoyed the moment where Regina welcomed Emma to Operation Mongoose.
KITSIS | Even though Regina did the right thing and she let Robin Hood go, we loved the idea of everyone rallying around to help her — which is a lot different from two years ago, when they all went to get dinner and left her on the side of the road.TVLINE | Sean Maguire hinted on Twitter that he’ll be back as Robin Hood…?
HOROWITZ | I don’t know what he did or didn’t hint, but I would be sorely disappointed if we did not see more of Robin Hood this season.TVLINE | And Ginny Goodwin indicated to me that Mary Margaret will be more active in 4B — perhaps with regard to the Queens of Darkness arc.
KITSIS | Absolutely. Snow and Charming have a very interesting connection to the Queens of Darkness. There’s a backstory that we’re very excited to reveal. We’re going to see a lot more of the Charmings in the second half.ArielTVLINE | Any returns to confirm, Ariel or otherwise?
HOROWITZ | Yeah, we can for the first time tell you that Ariel is coming back (played by JoAnna Garcia Swisher). You will see her within the first half of 4B. There may be some other returns that we’re not ready to confirm yet, from our past years.
KITSIS | We can’t wait for everybody to get to know the Queens of Darkness. But really, what we’re excited about is to continue on with the characters that we know and love, putting them together in interesting ways.TVLINE | “Interesting” like Regina and Emma doing shots together. I would have loved to see them let loose after, like, five each. But pesky Henry….
KITSIS | I know! Henry’s always ruining Happy Hour.http://tvline.com/2014/12/15/once-upon-a-time-season-4-cruella-de-vil-rumplestiltskin-ariel-return/
[adrotate group="5"]So if Rumple is the “Big Bad” of this half season, does that mean he’s going to actually die in a blaze of villainous glory?
"Death cannot stop true love...it can only delay it awhile."
So if Rumple is the “Big Bad” of this half season, does that mean he’s going to actually die in a blaze of villainous glory?
That’s what I’ve been theorizing….(sigh) this is too much!
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
So if Rumple is the “Big Bad” of this half season, does that mean he’s going to actually die in a blaze of villainous glory?
I will not be surprised. At all. I think—and don’t yell at me guys–that Bobby wants out. He had a 5 year but I wouldn’t be surprised if he asked to be let out
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"KITSIS | Rumple is absolutely the Big Bad.
This is what bugs me. Rumple was always the ambiguous one. Since Season 1, he helped whoever could get him closer to Bae. He created the most elaborate scheme to get to our world (which, with all the portals that “are in short supply,” is getting pretty laughable at this point). That is what makes me confused the most since he wasn’t like this until 4×01. He gave a speech at Neal’s grave, for crying out loud! Now, since he’s lost everything (Neal, Belle, the lavish suits), he wants to destroy the heroes so that, “[they] could be the victors.” What?! If they wanted to set him up to be the ultimate Big Bad, which I would have been fine with if they didn’t decide to go through the redemption arc in S3, they should have laid the foundation. At least, not make him remorseful while being controlled by the Wicked Witch.
1000 cookies saying that Cruella is a shape-shifting Dalmatian, and her fur reflects that. Also, the term “The Queens of Darkness” gets on my nerves. Even more so that it’s canon.
Keeper of Thor’s Hammer, Will Scarlet’s Genie Bottle, Emma’s Gun, Emma and Henry’s Moment at the Castle, Cora, and the infamous Family Tree!
So if Rumple is the “Big Bad” of this half season, does that mean he’s going to actually die in a blaze of villainous glory?
I will not be surprised. At all. I think—and don’t yell at me guys–that Bobby wants out. He had a 5 year but I wouldn’t be surprised if he asked to be let out
I doubt it, especially since Bobby has said that he loves playing Evil!Rumple. If anything, he might’ve threatened a release unless they gave him a darker, more evil arc.
Keeper of Thor’s Hammer, Will Scarlet’s Genie Bottle, Emma’s Gun, Emma and Henry’s Moment at the Castle, Cora, and the infamous Family Tree!
I doubt it, especially since Bobby has said that he loves playing Evil!Rumple. If anything, he might’ve threatened a release unless they gave him a darker, more evil arc.
Sure but there’s been scuttle from people who visited set. And yes he loves playing evil, but there’s only so far that can go. Going out in a blaze of evil glory? That’s how you end Rumple…the man Bobby doesn’t think should ever get a HEA
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"And yes he loves playing evil, but there’s only so far that can go. Going out in a blaze of evil glory? That’s how you end Rumple…the man Bobby doesn’t think should ever get a HEA
I think that could be where this is headed, if RC were to have his way. RC’s interview from Oct. 2014 revealed RC thinks Rumple deserves to end his days as a villain.
Question: Do you see him getting a happy ending?
Carlyle: I don’t know. I really don’t know. To be honest, it’s… I think if you start to think of the characters like that then you’re going to start to lose the essence of what they are. Ultimately, they’re not meant for that world. The other characters — Snow White, Charming or whoever it is — these are the happy ending people. So whether these other ones get to that place or not is up to the creators. For me, I just don’t think it would be honest to do that. I think life just ain’t like that. You know, there’s good people and bad people."That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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