TV Line – June 12, 2014 (Emma's guilt)

[Myril]

As for the Rumple and Cora, Adam and Eddy never said the word soulmate, they said the word Kindred Spirit.

Beg to differ. And I have prove.

Rumplestiltskin = Sex Machine?

Expect some flashback sexy time between Rumple and young Cora. Who knew the baddie with the not-so-great skin would be such a hit with the ladies? “If you go back and you watch him in Cinderella and other things,” corrected Kitsis, “there’s lots of sexiness to the way he plays the character and what we really loved is what was he like truly in love. We saw him as pre-Dark One with Milah but they had very few moments of happiness but Cora is his soulmate in a lot of ways. She understands him in a way that other people don’t because she’s not trying to make him a better man.”

from: Once Upon a Time Scoop: Snow’s Dark Side, Gold’s Vengeance, The Future for Emma and Bae
by Jim Halterman at March 8, 2013 1:00 pm. TVFanatic

http://www.tvfanatic.com/2013/03/once-upon-a-time-scoop-snows-dark-side-golds-vengeance-the-futur/?PageSpeed=noscript

Quote includes misspellings on the site.

So looks like Kitsis even agrees with you @WickedRegal that soulmates might mean a deeper connection than other relationships, but he called Cora Rumple’s soulmate.

edit: And later Adam tried to backpedal on Twitter, people were so not happy, that Cora and Rumple might have had any kind of thing, asking people not to get too hung about semantics and single terms. Someone brought up the term “kindred spirit”. Seeing a difference between true love and soulmate is nothing else but semantics IMO, but I am trying to go with it here.

Meek future then for Belle, if their is only one soulmate in a life possible. Or maybe not. Lucky for Belle that Rumple got killed while killing and stopping his own father and then was resurrected by his son, who sacrificed his life for it. So because Rumple was dead, has now a second life, he now is allowed to have a second soulmate as well. Neal made it possible, he is the hero, and Belle can rejoice, she now has a chance of a deeper connection to Rumple that before didn’t exist. A connection that goes beyond true love, one that means not abusing the power of true love’s kiss to change a person if it might be simply their nature or fate to be as cursed as they are. I mean, Belle was about to change Rumple with her true love’s kiss at a time when he must have been still bound to Cora, and Belle misjudged him, because looks like he wants to be the Dark One or has to be the Dark One, because Cora knew better than trying true love’s kiss, she was wise and empathic enough to hold back.

And I have to ask, because I am honestly not sure: Are you saying that other couples, Snow and Charming, Aurora and Phillip, Ariel and Eric, and maybe as well (in the past) Belle and Rumple are not as deep connected and meant to be as Regina and Robin are?

I am not saying, that Emma hasn’t messed up. That was not the point. The writers even say, she feels guilty about it, and I agree with them, that is Emma. She doesn’t need Regina to tell her, that for Regina now again things got difficult, she knew the moment she realized, who she had brought back to the present time with her, and she doesn’t feel good about it.

If Regina has the right to solely blame Emma now for things being difficult again between Regina and Robin that is another matter though. But more importantly: Instead of raging about Emma’s mistakes, Regina should start to think about, how she will win back her soulmate. If it’s fate anyway it’s a total waste of energy to blame Emma and rage about her and maybe even go after her. And fate or not fate, it would show that Regina has grown, if she now focuses on how to find a solution to be with her soulmate without executing, killing, cursing someone and particular not Marian. Because regardless that maybe Marian and Robin weren’t meant to stay together, there is still Roland, and Marian is his mother, and Roland loves her. Regina gets a second chance to do things right this time, show her true genius and heart, instead of shoving Marian out of her way by any means. Yes, it sucks that her happiness was ruined for the moment, but she shouldn’t make it worse, turning back to Evil Queen hardly will make it better, and use her energy, charm, knowledge, heart to win Robin back.

For the record: We majorly disagree about fate.

[PriceofMagic]

I disagree so much with WR’s view of OQ as the one and only soul mates on the show and soul mates being deeper than true loves.

True love is meant to be the rare and most powerful magic. It is about loving and being loved with every fibre of your being. You are only meant to have one true love.

Soul mates is about people you connect with who just get you. However soul mates can change as people change. So whilst Rumple and Cora might have been “soul mates” at that point in their lives (Both were in a dark place), they wouldn’t be considered soul mates in present day.

I agree with Myril about fate. If everything is blamed on fate then it takes away all characters accountability and responsibility for their actions. Therefore It was fate that Emma would bring Marian back. It was fate that Rumple would lie to Belle, kill Zelena and accidentally set off the time portal which in turn would mean Emma went back in time. Rumple and Emma are at no fault for their actions, they’re not to blame because it was fate. Every character chooses their own fate.

All magic comes with a price!

Keeper of Felix

[WickedRegal]

 If Regina has the right to solely blame Emma now for things being difficult again between Regina and Robin that is another matter though. But more importantly: Instead of raging about Emma’s mistakes, Regina should start to think about, how she will win back her soulmate. If it’s fate anyway it’s a total waste of energy to blame Emma and rage about her and maybe even go after her. And fate or not fate, it would show that Regina has grown, if she now focuses on how to find a solution to be with her soulmate without executing, killing, cursing someone and particular not Marian. Because regardless that maybe Marian and Robin weren’t meant to stay together, there is still Roland, and Marian is his mother, and Roland loves her. Regina gets a second chance to do things right this time, show her true genius and heart, instead of shoving Marian out of her way by any means. Yes, it sucks that her happiness was ruined for the moment, but she shouldn’t make it worse, turning back to Evil Queen hardly will make it better, and use her energy, charm, knowledge, heart to win Robin back. For the record: We majorly disagree about fate.

Now this much we can agree on that Regina can lash out on Emma, but not necessary be the Evil Queen again. Probably the usual eye rolls, and sassy remarks upped a thousand more, but that Regina should not waste her energy in making Emma’s life a living hell. At this point in time, it wouldn’t be worth it. Regina should do to Emma what she did to Snow, let her rot in her guilt till they become friends again, but in the mean time, Regina should focus on solving her sister’s murder, dealing with the ice queen, and etc.

And I do agree that fate is not one of the best topics for the two of us to discuss because we have two different view points. And Adam and Eddy said Cora was Rumple’s soulmate in a lot of ways, which means that Cora could have possibly represented Rumple’s soulmate, but that she wasn’t. They didn’t say DarkHeart were soulmates, period, they said in a lot of ways.

As for the other couples on the show….Outlaw Queen is the only couple with solid proof of being soul mates. That’s it. I’m not saying that Snowing, Rumbelle, SwanFire, CaptainSwan, and all the others can’t be soul mates, but for right now…they’re in the True Love category until proven Soul Mate. As powerful as their love can be…well, we see that you can have more than one true love, so there’s really no telling. Heck Snow White’s second true love may live a block over from her….but her soul mate may just be Charming. We’re going by facts here, and right now…Outlaw Queen is the only couple that has the Soul Mate mark on it.

I really hope Adam and Eddy expand on the difference between soul mate and true love, because Soul Mate, dare I say maybe of a higher level than true love.

And as for the whole Fate debate. Fate is already aligned to happen, but people changing Fate is what alters the future. Regina altered fate by not going into that Tavern, which set off a series of events. Rumple has been altering fate for about 300 years with his deals and manipulation. Emma altered fate by going back in time, and saving a woman who was supposed to die. Because in reality….nobody would have ever known Regina killed Marian if Emma hadn’t brought her back, that would have never even came up ever again! I personally feel….Fate is much like Karma, it comes back to bite you in the end. Rumple paid his dues because Neal was killed, Regina definitely paid her dues with having to kill Daniel herself, her mother and sister are killed….this time…Emma’s about to pay the price.

"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor

[PriceofMagic]

Have we absolute canon proof that you can have more than one true love? By that I mean was Daniel specifically stated to be Regina’s true love or is it just an assumption that he was on her part and ours? It’s a fact that Regina loved him dearly but was it ever proven that Regina and Daniel were true loves a la Snowing and RumBelle?

I agree that so far OQ may be the only couple that have been specifically stated as being soulmates because of the Pixie Dust however I think it is easily arguable that both Snowing and RumBelle are soulmates to each other as well.

I don’t think soul mates can necessarily be classed as a deeper connection than true love but everyone has their own opinion on the definition for each term and for some, both mean the same thing.

Fate only exists in the sense that Choice A would lead to Outcome 1 whilst Choice B will lead to Outcome 2. Characters make their own choices thus deciding their own fate. However, other characters can direct certain characters into making certain choices which would lead to a certain outcome. So whilst Regina wasn’t necessarily fated to cast the dark curse, she was directed towards that path by Rumple and Cora.

Likewise, Marian wasn’t fated to die from the get go, however Regina made the choice to have her executed whereas Emma made the choice to save her. Marian’s fate was decided by other people.

Belle’s line “No-one decides my fate but me” is all about making the choice. In Skin Deep, Belle had to choose whether to go with Rumple or not. RumBelle happened as a result of Belle choosing to make the deal with Rumple. RumBelle wasn’t fated to happen, because Belle could have chosen to listen to her father and not gone with Rumple, which would have led to them losing to the ogres.

Snowing wasn’t fated to happen, it happened because Snow chose to attack Charming and Abigail’s carriage. Had she not, as Snow Drifts proves, Snow and Charming never would have met.

Love the Morticia and Gomez Addams gif.

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Keeper of Felix

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