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1st: I won’t lie. I’m leaning toward the WWW killing herself a dwarf. Adam, on Twitter, almost seems SCARED of SQ Nation. He spent the whole day of that Twitter blow up apologizing to them…for something HE AND EDDY already said at SDCC just a few months before. And it’s not just Adam. At the MTV interview with JMO, MRJ and Colin, JMO made a joke about how all her ship were on the couch with her and SQ Nation EXPLODED and sent her nothing but hatred about how she was anti-homosexual and started spreading rumors about how she and Lana secretly hate each other and that’s why SQ will never be real. But when Coleman states his opinion on Twitter, she sends him a very public tweet about his actions.
I had ZERO problems with what Coleman said. He maybe shouldn’t have spilled what Lana and JMo talk about on set regards to the fans, but seriously Adam and Eddy have already shut down SQ. It’s beyond ridiculous that the man had to flee Twitter because he said something that the creators of the show already denied.
Ship and let shop but remember that your headcanon is headcanon until shown on the show. And there is a pretty big difference between FANON and CANON.
Fans just need to STOP ASKING actors if they ship stuff, and actors need to NOT REPLY to those questions.
This this this and then this again.
I hope everyone saw Sean’s response to a shipping question. He said something like “I’ll let the fans do the shipping and I’ll stick to acting”
Fandom: stop asking about ships. It doesn’t end well.
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Totally agree he let things get out of hand, and he knew he was in the wrong and had crossed a line. That’s why he deleted several of his tweets. But it’s done, and he’s not the first to fall victim of social media bait, and he won’t be the last.
Im a bit torn as to how his coworkers responded. But they all seemed to respond simultaneously. So I think there were some phone calls going on.
What I saw on Twitter (before tweets got deleted, think though it’s documented somewhere on Tumblr) it was about the what and how Michael Colemann talked about shipping, the SwanQueen fraction of the fandom in particular, and that one could have the wrong impression, he were talking not just for himself. While the first can be filed as “just” bad PR, the latter is a problem at any work place. Could say: Now your place or be ready for some hot fire.
But I’ve done myself some PR work and worked in customer service, as customer service representative and supervisor, and I know it’s rather easy to drop a brick. On the other hand one can learn communication skills to handle things. People often think that that we don’t have to learn communication, it takes just some common sense to not talk stupid in public, avoid missunderstandings, and stay reasonable and calm, but they’re wrong. It would do a lot of good for even everyday private communication if there were (more) trainings at schools, colleges, universities and later in companies for everyone to learn to be more reflective about what they say and write, and give people tools to react better. It is even more important, when someone has to do it more professional, because their job brings them public attention, like for (successful) writers, actors.
Dealing with fans is a different thing for PR than dealing with media professionals. Things have changed and while some time back most of the contact was filtered by professional media people (bit of an excpetion: conventions), nowadays thanks to social media the filter is kinda dissipating. The bad thing is: no one is prepared for that. I don’t have the impression, that producers and production companies, not even actor agents are really giving it that much thought (and that goes as well for other entertainment industries, although musicians are used to a bit more contact). I don’t know if there are shows having a PR and social media professional not only keeping an eye on things for the show but as well are supporting cast and crew to navigate the wild waters of social media, but if there are, they are not doing that much of a good job. Of course they could make it simple and have the policy, no talks on social media about work, but that would be no good PR either, not in entertainment bizz.
Aat least OUaT doesn’t seem to have a professional to support them, what happened there on Twitter was a collective fail of cast and crew in my opinion, not just Michael Coleman dropping a brick. But he will be eventually the one to take the fall for it, somewhat rightly, his tone was off. Might agree, that some fans are illusional to hope for some ships to ever sail on the show but that it is nevertheless fine, that they sail in fan creations – but how Coleman said some things and reacted was at best clumsy. Clumsy though is some of what Adam Horowitz for example says on Twitter as well in my opinion.
It’s not just Twitter and Facebook. Remember the reactions to what Jennifer Morrison said in an interview at the ComicCon this year. Some hot waters on social media after that as well. Word spreads faster and louder through social media, something we have to learn to deal with.
Think it would do some TV shows and maybe movies series do good to employ a fan liaison (officer). I know of some football (soccer for you US folks) clubs having that, they are a contact between fans and club (in this case it would be between fans and show, cast and crew), providing information and help, bring word from the fans to cast and crew, eventually even have an open ear for helping with problems inside of fandoms (like bullying). And there are some projects working on getting a grip at some of the ugly sides of soccer fandoms. It’s different from doing the usual PR. Fans of TV shows are not yet there to bash their heads in real, or the heads of cast and crew, but cyber bullying sure is a problem, can seriously harm people, and should be adressed. I am convinced it would make a difference if you have just some non-personal show account to contact or if there are people with faces and names as contact, and it would be a relief for the cast and crew if it’s not just them.
Instead of starting a reasonable conversation about fandom and use of social media, the good professional (?) media have nothing better to do than to sensationalize the incident here and speculate about Michael Coleman getting the boot for it. What a fail. Of course it’s not their job to diffuse, but it makes them look not good either to eventually add more fuel to the fire. But, hey, those yellow-press buzz sites might even thrive on fandom fractions getting at each other throats. The worst publicity is no publicity, right, they get the klicks they want and need.
But do we do any better with some of the headlines we’re using here for threads to get attention? No offense, as I said, communication is something we unfortunately don’t learn as much as we should. Just want to nudge reflection here.
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I’ve seen a lot of people on Tumblr saying something along the lines of, “The whole cast and crew and two creators of ONCE just need a 3 hour long class on how to deal with fans on social media” So many cast members and Adam himself have landed in fan’s hot water because of stuff they’ve said. (though I’ve yet to see anything that actually drastically horrible)
But do we do any better with some of the headlines we’re using here for threads to get attention? No offense, as I said, communication is something we unfortunately don’t learn as much as we should. Just want to nudge reflection here.
Pretty sure that’s TVLine’s title so the title for this thread here is just a reflection of that.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"But do we do any better with some of the headlines we’re using here for threads to get attention? No offense, as I said, communication is something we unfortunately don’t learn as much as we should. Just want to nudge reflection here.
Did you even bother to check the link that I posted if you did you would have seen this was an unnecessary comment as RG stated that is what the article head line states.
So even people who think they have experience in customer service makes mistakes huh 🙂 No Offense.
I don’t think anyone should lose his job just because he doesn’t support something and a few fans get over passionate about their fictional ship.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixI don’t think anyone should lose his job just because he doesn’t support something and a few fans get over passionate about their fictional ship.
I agree!!!
1st: I won’t lie. I’m leaning toward the WWW killing herself a dwarf. Adam, on Twitter, almost seems SCARED of SQ Nation. He spent the whole day of that Twitter blow up apologizing to them…for something HE AND EDDY already said at SDCC just a few months before. And it’s not just Adam. At the MTV interview with JMO, MRJ and Colin, JMO made a joke about how all her ship were on the couch with her and SQ Nation EXPLODED and sent her nothing but hatred about how she was anti-homosexual and started spreading rumors about how she and Lana secretly hate each other and that’s why SQ will never be real. But when Coleman states his opinion on Twitter, she sends him a very public tweet about his actions.
I had ZERO problems with what Coleman said. He maybe shouldn’t have spilled what Lana and JMo talk about on set regards to the fans, but seriously Adam and Eddy have already shut down SQ. It’s beyond ridiculous that the man had to flee Twitter because he said something that the creators of the show already denied. Ship and let shop but remember that your headcanon is headcanon until shown on the show. And there is a pretty big difference between FANON and CANON.
Phee wrote: Fans just need to STOP ASKING actors if they ship stuff, and actors need to NOT REPLY to those questions.
This this this and then this again. I hope everyone saw Sean’s response to a shipping question. He said something like “I’ll let the fans do the shipping and I’ll stick to acting” Fandom: stop asking about ships. It doesn’t end well.
THIS. *preach it RG*
I will actually be pretty upset if Michael loses his job over all this because I don’t think what he did is a fire-able offense. I agree that he shouldn’t have said a few things that he did (speaking for Lana, TPTB, and JMo especially) but overall, he was totally harassed by some of those ‘fans’ for comments that were totally his opinion (which they asked for!!!). He probably wasn’t expecting that sort of reaction so he was completely overwhelmed at the time and erred in a few of his responses. To his credit, he apologized almost immediately and knew that he had stepped over the line. I just happened to be on Twitter when this all started happening and I felt so bad for him. We all make mistakes but us fans have the luxury of making our mistakes away from the public eye and we don’t have to answer to hoards of people for them. I saw a tweet from Adam not long after that which gave me the impression that he wasn’t overly angry with Michael over this thing so hopefully this has all ready been dealt with by all the parties and they just move on from it.
And for the record, the only shipper group that has ever scared me is the one for SQ. Some of those folks are seriously frightening in how overly passionate they are about their ship. This is still a TV show, right??! 😮
#MoreBOOMLessGloomBut do we do any better with some of the headlines we’re using here for threads to get attention? No offense, as I said, communication is something we unfortunately don’t learn as much as we should. Just want to nudge reflection here.
Did you even bother to check the link that I posted if you did you would have seen this was an unnecessary comment as RG stated that is what the article head line states.
So even people who think they have experience in customer service makes mistakes huh
No Offense.
No offense taken. For clearity though, I don’t THINK to have experience, I actually have, but sure nevertheless I am not free of making mistakes. Obviously didn’t made myself clear enough with that paragraph. I wasn’t talking just about the title of this thread. Headlines very sure are there to draw attention, but they focus on a certain matter and often even already create opinion. They tell the reader, what is the important thing in the following article or thread, they influence, guide perception.
I followed the link when I first saw it, so I know the headline here is a quote of the headline used on TVLine, but why quote that headline? It seems neutral, but speculating about the death of characters on TV shows can rile up a storm and passionate reactions and will never fail to get attention (call it an attention honeypot). My first thought just reading the headline here was, more Hook angst ahead, but it’s about another character for a change. But TVLine’s speculation about Happy is all based on one incident and yellow press style sensationalization of it, it’s not the least bit about story development. For the characters from other shows mentioned in the TVLine “dead pool” (their wording) they at least draw their speculation from the shows’ stories themselves, as shallow as most of it though is.
Since all the Hook angst and discussions getting out of hand over it in season 02 I just have a problem with such death speculation headlines.
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I will actually be pretty upset if Michael loses his job over all this because I don’t think what he did is a fire-able offense
If Coleman looses his job over this, I’ll be pretty irate. And nothing will convince me “it was planned all along”
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
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