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Source: TvGuide Interview
Don’t say, “Happily Ever After,” just yet. Once Upon A Time’s Season 3 finale aired just shy of two weeks ago and we’re already ready for Season 4 — especially with that HUGE Frozen reveal and cliffhanger. But, as excited as we are to see Elsa and the Frozen gang, how could we ever forget about Emma and Hook? Or the quick deterioration of Regina and Robin Hood’s happily ever after? Edward Kitsis and Adam Horowitz’s OUAT Season 4 spoilers reveal a lot about the future of our favorite ‘ships, so will any of our favorite couples survive?
I can’t say I was disappointed in how Season 3 ended love-wise. (That Captain Swan kiss! Swoon.) Well, I was a little disappointed and sad that Regina, unfortunately, lost her happy ending. But I was wondering where we’d go from here. Rumpelstiltskin and Belle tied the knot even though their engagement was fundamentally based on a HUGE lie, Regina was set up to take on her bitter rivalry with Emma all over again, and Emma and Hook kissed — fine — but will it really be that easy for them? Well, ‘shippers, showrunners Kitsis and Horowitz sat down with TVGuide following the premiere and dished all the dirt we want to know about the future of our favorite OUAT romances. And I, for one, am pretty happy that Emma and Hook won’t be ordering in Chinese food and watching Game of Thrones on Sunday nights like normal people.
Mirror, Mirror, on the wall — how will these ‘ships fare in Season 4?
Robin Hood & Regina
Okay, I don’t want to sound like the worst person of all time — but I will for a second. Was anyone else as disappointed as I was to find out that Emma had actually rescued Maid Marian? I know, I know, Robin Hood’s son deserves to know his mother, but still. I really, really wanted Regina to be happy and enjoy her transformation. So where do we go from there? Regina and Robin Hood ‘shippers shouldn’t hang up their bows and arrows just yet. Kistsis assured Natalie Abrams at TVGuide that Hood will “absolutely” struggle with what to do. And Horowitz elaborated that the journey of Regina and Robin Hood is something that the showrunners are still interested in exploring in Season 4.
What That Means:
Regina and Robin Hood aren’t over. There will obviously be some bad blood and a lot of issues to work through, but I’d put my money on seeing this couple back together by the end of Season 4. Well, unless Regina kills Emma for accidentally ruining her life and Robin Hood is horrified by her behavior. (Hopefully that won’t happen.)
Hook & Emma
You didn’t think their story was over already, did you? It took Hook and Emma a painfully long time to get together, but that doesn’t mean that things are going to be easy now that they’ve finally kissed again. Kitsis hinted that there will hopefully be drama and crisis striking their relationship sometime soon — I mean, we don’t need them to become any old boring couple already. And, again, Horowitz elaborated by saying that we only saw the tip of the iceberg in the Season 3 finale — there are a lot of roads this relationship can take and there are challenges and surprises on the road ahead.
What That Means:
It won’t be all goo-goo eyes and sweet kisses in the moonlight for Emma and Hook. And I’m actually okay with that — it’s their job to save the world on a regular basis and they’re pretty good at it. Domestic life just isn’t for them, which is totally cool. There’s also soon-to-be teenager Henry to deal with and we all know that’s not going to be easy on their new relationship.
Rumpelstiltskin & Belle
When we left Rumpel and Belle at the end of Season 3 they were exchanging their vows in a simple, intimate ceremony. And, fun fact, Belle still doesn’t know that Rumpel lied about giving her The Dark One’s dagger and using it to kill Zelena. Kitsis assured Abrams that Rumpel’s love is still true and he’s not tricking Belle into anything. But he did say that we’re going to see a lot of soul-searching when it comes to Rumpel as a character and that he’s absolutely up to something.
What That Means:
Rumpel’s got a lot of heavy stuff that he needs to come to terms with — you know, with the whole dying and coming back to life and losing his son in the process thing. He didn’t really get a moment to acknowledge and accept those things before he had to tackle Zelena and ended up saying his “I do”s. There’s a rocky road ahead for Rumpbelle — starting with him TELLING THE TRUTH and then with trying to remain open and vulnerable with his wife to overcome his challenging emotional issues.
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WickedRegal’s Reaction To Once Upon A Time Shippings:
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
I don’t like that this is basically becoming “The Couples Show” though. Like OUAT has always been true love and stuff but it was never this sappy… remembering when Snowing were actually cool?
It does of course make the lack of queer ships all the more painful but just in general… true love, yes, but sappy, often quite rushed/force romance, regardless of who it’s between(there was a time when I would have shipped CaptainSwan)? No.
I want to see more of a return to form for the show in a sense and I don’t mean Emma/Regina fighting. I want there to be this sense of adventure and wonder and cool stuff happening instead of all family dramas and how are we going to end up with these two people together like some third rate soap opera.
It’s not that I even disliked Season 3, and the finale was MOSTLY pretty epic(I loved the Buddy movie elements between Hook & Emma – wish they’d have left it at that, for now anyway), but…
I don’t know. I’m really uncertain as to where they’ll go with Season 4. I feel the soap opera elements might to make the show more “Sustainable” long term but I think then it’ll start to lose ratings.
This is why I liked OUAT in Wonderland so much, even if it was a bit sappy it was still fresh and I rooted for Ana/Will way harder than any of the ships in OUAT Prime, maybe even including Swanqueen.
I don't cause commotions, I am one.
We are Once Upon a Ship. Doesn’t matter what ships…we are Once Upon a Ship.
@Obisgirl can tell us how many we have now. I think we’re into the 140s?"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I watch soap operas, Crystal and I can tell you, Once Upon a Time is no where close to the relationship drama with often times very bad writing that I get when my mom watches them. You watch a soap, there’s not just love triangles, there’s quadrangles, and polyangels and whatever.
I don’t think of Once as a ‘shippy drama. I consider it as a story about relationships, (family and romantic), hope and second chances. I didn’t ‘ship heavily until Skin Deep for obvious reasons. All these characters are on a journey towards their happy ending, which we’ve seen doesn’t always mean it is a romantic happy ending. Jefferson’s happy ending was reuniting with his daughter Grace and the woodsman with his kids, Hansel and Gretel.
Plus, I do not think you can have a show nowadays without even touching on the romantic part of ‘shipping. It’s present on every show you watch. It just so happens that this show focuses on four major couples: Snowing because Snow White and Prince Charming were ground zero, it’s where we started, Emma because she’s their daughter, Regina because she’s the Evil Queen and Rumple because he’s been around the longest. But remember, before we even knew about Rumbelle Rumple’s first and most important relationship was with his son, Baelfire.
We are Once Upon a Ship. Doesn’t matter what ships…we are Once Upon a Ship.
@Obisgirl can tell us how many we have now. I think we’re into the 140s?
And like I said, and I’ve seen other people say, ‘shipping a fandom thing. But Adam and Eddie write a story.
I don’t think of Once as a ‘shippy drama. I consider it as a story about relationships, (family and romantic), hope and second chances. I didn’t ‘ship heavily until Skin Deep for obvious reasons. All these characters are on a journey towards their happy ending, which we’ve seen doesn’t always mean it is a romantic happy ending. Jefferson’s happy ending was reuniting with his daughter Grace and the woodsman with his kids, Hansel and Gretel.
I think there is a difference between ONCE’s depiction of relationships and the media’s view on the relationships. The media thinks we are Once Upon a Ship. And that affects how some view the show.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"keep in mind I’m used to British Soap Operas which are probably a little bit better.
I don't cause commotions, I am one.
I don’t know that you can have a show about fairy tales and not have it focus heavily on romantic relationships – that’s what so many are about…so the ‘ships never bothered me on OUAT. I like that each one is distinct in it’s own way – Snowing is that classic ‘fairy tale’ couple, Rumbelle is the ‘against all odds’ fairy tale, OutlawQueen is about second chances, and CS about finding love again after a very intense, first true love.
Even so, OUAT is centered around Emma and Regina’s love for their son. And as others stated, other major relationships on the show have not been romantic – Rumple’s love for his son is one of the most compelling storylines on the show, in my opinion. Emma has to learn how to love her parents after a very difficult childhood – and so on.
In regard to general opinion, OUAT has a number of ‘ships, yes, but it also has a huge cast. There’s going to be a lot of ‘ships simply for that reason. But I don’t think OUAT is anything like a soap – daytime or primetime – OUAT is about true, pure love, in whatever form that may be. No one’s bed hopping. Maybe 4 have even romantically loved more than one person – and they loved 2 at most. I think most shows that have a number of ‘ships – or potential ships – have equally passionate fans. I’m not particularly concerned with the amount of ‘ships OUAT has, because I enjoy them and think they each bring something unique to the table.
It’s more in the fandom than on the show. Character development and that includes relationships is rather understated on the show. It’s more the next big adventure, the next big bad driving the story (although the writers sure think differently about it, in their view it’s character driven). There are enough people ranting, that there is never enough Belle and subsequently never enough Rumbelle. Others can’t wait to the see the next CaptainSwan kiss, a few complain that Snowing have become a minor matter, some that the show has become all about “whiny” “saint” Regina and her sensitivities, her saving the day for everybody (exception final of season 1), and the next toy figure from the shelf of endless wonders. If the show has gone somewhat shippery then it was in the recent 11 episodes. Excluding though Snowing, because showing a working marriage has never been one of the strong things in entertainment, it’s mostly about finding true love, the chase, romancing and not how to make living together work on a daily basis. If marriage then as drama, something that needs fixing, because it maybe shouldn’t have been in the first place or gets in crisis because of money, distrust, infidelity or forced apart by live’s circumstances (war as prevalent theme). In season 1 we had the romancing for Snowing in the flashback and the marriage crisis in a way in present Storybrooke.
I don’t know that you can have a show about fairy tales and not have it focus heavily on romantic relationships – that’s what so many are about…
I disagree, romance is maybe a part in many fairy tales, but after all they’re called fairy tales and not romance tales. Fairy tales are often about proving as person through a quest, a journey to maturity, they are about virtues, and they are cautionary tales, finding love is more the gratification for all effort, the prize for growing up and become a decent person, it’s the happy ending, not the story. We have to thank in a way Disney that by now people think of romance the moment they hear the word fairy tale, because of emphasizing on the princesses stories, it (seemingly) became about finding Mr. Right (and seldom Mrs. Right), to get married and have children as happy ending. Disney created rolemodels for girls, and stuck to more traditional plain ideas of women finding their fulfillment in relationships, true love, marriage, children, making these things the future to dream for girls, while DC and Marvel comics created the rolemodels for boys (and tomboys maybe) with their fulfillment to become the savior of the day, the hero, defenders and creators of law and order, family more of an obstacle for them than a goal of their dreams, at best getting the smart hot girl was the reward for all the hard work of a hero.
In a way OUaT is a bit of both. Instead of the comic action figures played with fairy tale barbie family dolls with some additional action equipment.
edit: It’s ironic in this context that Marvel Entertainment has been acquired in 2009 by Disney Company.
keep in mind I’m used to British Soap Operas which are probably a little bit better.
U.S. soap operas have a tendency to focus on the relationship/romance melodrama in often enough upper middle-class to upper class settings, while British approach more daily life issues with a setting in working-class including social issues besides romance melodrama. It’s easy to see with Coronation Street or Eastenders (as the British soaps), but even if comparing medical soap drama shows like Casualty (UK) and Grey’s Anatomy (U.S.) that difference is notable, IMO Casualty is less glamorous (one could say it mirrors the difference in health system) and has better stories. My theory is, that the Brits have the royal family to get their daily dose of upper-class drama, while the U.S. need to create fictionally their “royals” (although there are a few families in the U.S. who could take that role in real, namely the Kennedy family could for a while). Of course one could count in shows like Downtown Abbey though as a kind of soap opera period primetime drama, but even with such a more aristrocrate setting it includes some of the working class due to stories of the servants of the house. Still think that 1970s Upstairs, Downstairs is the better series of such kind of period drama though, maybe because it told things more from the downstairs’ view, aka the servants’ view; the difference might explain, why Downtown Abbey though is such an international success and especially successful in the U.S., while in the UK it’s not seen as top drama.
Anyway, these “spoilers” are mere speculations, or at best a description of were the (canon) ships are with the end of season 3. Somehow sounding like the monthly or annual horoscope for OUaT couples. The usual. 😉
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