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Slight update, and I should have posted this days ago, but I tweeted Matt to double check that Neal was the perma-death teased about in January. His tweet is pretty clear on the matter:
@ItachiIshtar Once and for all, that was THE death.
— Matt Mitovich (@MattMitovich) April 3, 2014
Also, Matt made a post in the comments for TVLine’s recap of 315:
This is The Death. Sorry.
Comment by Matt Webb Mitovich – March 30, 2014 07:30 PM PDTSeems pretty clear that the death will not be reversed.
Many of us who are now disillusioned with the show feel that way because we feel that A&E have lied to us about the basic moral and message that drives their show. If we feel like they’ve already lied to us, why would we accept what they say in interviews as being gospel, as opposed to them playing with words and being trolls, (we’ve all called them trolls before for their interviews, in a more lighthearted way, only thing that’s changed is now we say it with a negative connotation).
I trust Matt Mitovitch to honestly relay any information he’s given.
I do not trust the people who gave him said information.
Simple as that.That is such an excellent point Phee. A&E have sort of become the boys who cried wolf. Meaning, we’re all a bit unsure when/if we can trust what they say anymore. I don’t blame people at all for thinking Neal might come back.
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Many of us who are now disillusioned with the show feel that way because we feel that A&E have lied to us about the basic moral and message that drives their show. If we feel like they’ve already lied to us, why would we accept what they say in interviews as being gospel, as opposed to them playing with words and being trolls, (we’ve all called them trolls before for their interviews, in a more lighthearted way, only thing that’s changed is now we say it with a negative connotation). I trust Matt Mitovitch to honestly relay any information he’s given.
I do not trust the people who gave him said information.
Simple as that.It’s another thing for them to tell Mitovitch that Michael is leaving the show and that the death sticks, -though. If they were going to reverse the death then they would have been more ambiguous, like when Rumple “died.” The interview also gives off the impression that Matt was told back in January that the permanent death was Neal. There’s a difference between being ambiguous and lying. –
The interview also gives off the impression that Matt was told back in January that the permanent death was Neal.
Comment from Matt on another of his articles…
Simmer down, everyone. “Major character” was my choice of words, only because “a character played by a series regular” is clunky to say. All A+E said was that a series regular was being killed off the show, and the death was real/would stick.
Can’t link directly to his post, but it’s in the comments on this article.
His question in the interview: “And, as you told me previously, Michael could come back for a flashback down the line,” doesn’t necessarily mean that he was told back then that it was MRJ specifically leaving. One of this comments on this article is, “A&E never said the killed-off character wouldn’t possibly appear in flashbacks.”
So all things considered, my interpretation is that a couple of months ago, Matt was told that a non-specific main character would be killed and the character would be no more, Matt asked, “Not even in flashbacks?” and they told him they weren’t ruling out flashbacks for whoever it was. (Sidenote: I don’t really see how flashbacks for Neal would be possible if he’s dead in present day, because in the missing year he’s inside Rumple, and any other flashbacks in Neal’s life wouldn’t have a connection to a living character in present day, because he was out in our world alone for all that time, so said flashbacks would be completely disjointed with the present day story, and there wouldn’t be any point in filling in those years for Neal anyway if his character is in the past and the show has moved on. So why they would say the character might still be in flashbacks, if the character is Neal, that doesn’t really make sense IMO.)
I do remember an article stating and many of us talking about the line in an article that said, “the character will not be available for flashbacks.” I had to stop looking for the origin article the other day, but it was a huge part of all of our theories. A quick search in the forums showed many of us who quoted the article directly. Sure it could have been totally wrong, but it is what was said at one point.
Also, a perfect example is Keck. He spoiled the “splashy wedding”, and proceeded to answer questions on twitter, even saying it wasn’t Ariel and Eric. Adam then tweeted Keck, or at least the person who tweeted Keck, and said he actually NEVER even told him who the wedding was or wasn’t, just that there was one, so any answers he gives is out of his own speculation! That’s the thing with these spoilers- unless they’ve seen an ep, they aren’t usually told the specifics about a lot of these things. Why would they be? It’s a lot of weight for someone to carry, and a lot of trust to put that into someone to not spill the beans. So who do we believe here? Keck, or Adam? You know? This is the same kind of thing IMO.
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Thing is I trust Matt, as he does have a very good relationship with A&E, and I’m confident that he knows what he’s talking about. With that relationship in mind, chances are he really did know the death was Neal back then. He wrote the dang article. So sorry, but I’ll continue to be convinced that the death is permanent. Why kill him off for yet another fake out with MRJ screwed over from screentime til the finale? That’s the main thing that doesn’t add up to his death being temporary for me. If they intended to keep MRJ for good than I feel there would have been a lot more development for Neal this Season than what we got. The episode just screams them rushing to get rid of him ASAP. I’ll admit if there’s the very slim chance that I’m wrong, but guess everything will be clear come the end of the Season.
Just to be clear, it’s not like any of us actually have any hope. It’s really not that at all. It’s just that so many things have been fishy, more-so than usual. We don’t think he’s going to pop back up. But even those who do, they do so with reason, not just flighty fantasy. GV’s I and many others have spoken to think we are crazy that he’s not coming back— it’s those loose ends- NOT to crazy obsessive watchers like us–but to the general audience– that makes them have ZERO doubts about Neal’s return. That to me, any way you slice it, is sloppy handling of everything. So, it’s not that those things or fishy articles give us hope. It’s that they’re just off… whether that’s because something happened behind the scenes, or because people don’t know who the actual death is and he is coming back, we will wait and see. But some people think we are burying our head in the sand and are 100% confident he is coming back. That’s not the case at all.
And as I said earlier, it’s not that I think Keck lied about the wedding . I think he thinks he knows. And not even because he was lied to. Things just happen. I do trust Mitovitch. And I wouldn’t blame him if it ends up being wrong. Things just happen, have happened before, and will happen again. No biggie. Doesn’t give me hope, but doesn’t make me stop theorizing, just in case everything is not what it seems.
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