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My gut feeling is that it won’t be someone whose death has already been foreshadowed and then averted, since it wouldn’t have the same dramatic punch the second or third time around. Can’t be Belle, either, because, as someone said way back in this thread, that would send Rumpel into an angsty, destructive rage, and that would be another plot re-tread with diminishing impact.
I can totally imagine Hook going out in a “It is a far, far better thing I do…” (A Tale of Two Cities) kind of way. Big, romantic gestures are part of his character. Maybe they’ll even do that Dickens tale, only set in revolution-torn Oz instead of Paris.
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Yes it would be nice if all of the core cast survived and got their happy ending, but that very well might not be the case on the show itself.
Yeah, “happy ending” has that second word, after all.
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Also I saw on the page about how now Graham is about to star in a major motion picture. There’s a reason that many celebrities turned down the role he was given.
He’s gonna star in pretty much a porno with S and M aka 50 Shades of Grey, not really the best movie to start a serious career in Hollywood IMO.
I can totally imagine Hook going out in a “It is a far, far better thing I do…” (A Tale of Two Cities) kind of way. Big, romantic gestures are part of his character. Maybe they’ll even do that Dickens tale, only set in revolution-torn Oz instead of Paris.
Have seen that Sydney Carton potential parallel mentioned by a couple of other people too, so because I’m uncultured and have never read A Tale of Two Cities, I read up on it a bit on wikipedia. Could be interesting if they tweak it to fit in with the Oz story line somehow. Maybe the Munchkins = the French peasantry?
The novel depicts the plight of the French peasantry demoralised by the French aristocracy in the years leading up to the revolution, the corresponding brutality demonstrated by the revolutionaries toward the former aristocrats in the early years of the revolution, and many unflattering social parallels with life in London during the same time period. It follows the lives of several protagonists through these events. The most notable are Charles Darnay and Sydney Carton. Darnay is a former French aristocrat who falls victim to the indiscriminate wrath of the revolution despite his virtuous nature, and Carton is a dissipated English barrister who endeavours to redeem his ill-spent life out of his unrequited love for Darnay’s wife.
Here’s how Carton’s death comes about…
That same morning, Carton visits Darnay in prison. Carton drugs Darnay, and Barsad (whom Carton is blackmailing) has Darnay carried out of the prison. Carton has decided to pretend to be Darnay and to be executed in his place. He does this out of love for Lucie. Following Carton’s earlier instructions, Darnay’s family and Lorry flee Paris and France. In their coach is an unconscious Darnay, who carries Carton’s identification papers.
The novel concludes with the guillotining of Sydney Carton. As he is waiting to board the tumbril, he is approached by a seamstress, also condemned to death, who mistakes him for Darnay but, upon getting close, realises the truth. Awed by his unselfish courage and sacrifice, she asks to stay close to him and he agrees. Upon their arrival at the guillotine, Carton comforts her, telling her that their ends will be quick but that there is no Time or Trouble “in the better land where … [they] will be mercifully sheltered”, and she is able to meet her death in peace. Carton’s unspoken last thoughts are prophetic:
I see Barsad, … Defarge, The Vengeance [a lieutenant of Madame Defarge], … long ranks of the new oppressors who have risen on the destruction of the old, perishing by this retributive instrument, before it shall cease out of its present use. I see a beautiful city and a brilliant people rising from this abyss, and, in their struggles to be truly free, in their triumphs and defeats, through long years to come, I see the evil of this time and of the previous time of which this is the natural birth, gradually making expiation for itself and wearing out.
I see the lives for which I lay down my life, peaceful, useful, prosperous and happy, in that England which I shall see no more. I see Her with a child upon her bosom, who bears my name. I see her father, aged and bent, but otherwise restored, and faithful to all men in his healing office, and at peace. I see the good old man [Mr. Lorry], so long their friend, in ten years’ time enriching them with all he has, and passing tranquilly to his reward.
I see that I hold a sanctuary in their hearts, and in the hearts of their descendants, generations hence. I see her, an old woman, weeping for me on the anniversary of this day. I see her and her husband, their course done, lying side by side in their last earthly bed, and I know that each was not more honoured and held sacred in the other’s soul, than I was in the souls of both.
I see that child who lay upon her bosom and who bore my name, a man winning his way up in that path of life which once was mine. I see him winning it so well, that my name is made illustrious there by the light of his. I see the blots I threw upon it, faded away. I see him, fore-most of just judges and honoured men, bringing a boy of my name, with a forehead that I know and golden hair, to this place—then fair to look upon, with not a trace of this day’s disfigurement—and I hear him tell the child my story, with a tender and a faltering voice.
It is a far, far better thing that I do, than I have ever done; it is a far, far better rest that I go to than I have ever known.
Lucie and Darnay have a first son earlier in the book who is born and dies within a single paragraph; it seems likely that this first son appears in the novel so that their later son, named after Carton, can represent another way in which Carton restores Lucie and Darnay through his sacrifice.
Bolded part sounds like fitting last words for a man who has been striving to regain his “good form” after a couple of centuries wallowing in bad form IMO. A true act of “unselfish courage and sacrifice” would be great to see from Hook. When he saved Charming’s life, he did it to gain favour with Emma, so there was a selfish element to it. Giving up his life to save another’s would be a truly UNselfish heroic act, to contrast with his saving of Charming. Believe that a pirate can be a hero, indeed.
If they went this direction, I could see them keeping with the final thoughts that Dickens gave to Carton, by having Emma and Neal have a (second) son that they name Killian.
Also I saw on the page about how now Graham is about to star in a major motion picture. There’s a reason that many celebrities turned down the role he was given.
He’s gonna star in pretty much a porno with S and M aka 50 Shades of Grey, not really the best movie to start a serious career in Hollywood IMO.
The movie will no doubt be incredibly cheesy and panned by critics, but it’s not like Jamie Dornan’s a stranger to getting his gear off in front of a camera, so I doubt he’s particularly worried about it tarnishing his career. Since leaving OUAT, he’s also starred in a very successful crime drama back in Ireland.
Kind of hard to gain favor from someone when he tried to stop Charming from telling them what happened. He was saving Charming for Emma. He didn’t expect Charming to toast him. Contrary to some really weird belief Hook didn’t want Emma nor anybody to know that he saved Charming’s life. Just how he never expected Emma would actually kiss him.
What is this about Hook being selfish? Especially this season.
He led them to Neal knowing that it could leave him brokenhearted when he had so much hope.
He backed off for Henry’s sake, giving Neal and Emma a chance.
How was he being selfish in any of the situations. He’s the one that’s making the sacrifices not Neal.
Also I call BS on the people that all of a sudden are now gonna say oh “Hook’s gonna die a true hero” he can finally be redeemed. When just yesterday people were saying how oh he’s never gonna change, he’s always gonna be the selfish pirate.
You know what I call the people whom suddenly have a change of heart, magically now? Complete hypocrites and not to mention, very fake.
Also I personally am not gonna use classic literature(though beautiful literature) as a way to predict how this death will occur.
How about we think of something that is on the show and that could be potential foreshadowing.
Every secret from the cave has come true, except Emma’s. How’s that for chekhov’s gun.
Hook’s secret was that he believed that he would never move on from Milah -> Now believes Emma is his true love.
Snow’s secret was she wants to have a baby -> She’s now pregnant.
Charming’s secret was the dreamshade and he couldn’t give snow the family she wants because he can’t leave Neverland -> He’s cured of dreamshade and now he and Snow are having another baby.
Emma’s secret was she wished Neal was really dead so she won’t be able to feel the pain all over again ->….
That would be a heck of an emotional draw for Emma, she wanted Neal to be dead and it comes true. Yikes talk about angst galore.
What is this about Hook being selfish? Like I’m confused.
Not looking to turn this thread into a debate. I’m merely using Hook’s own dialogue when I form the opinion that he was being selfish, (which is totally in character for a pirate).
Charming: Why risk your life for me when there wasn’t anything for you in return?
Hook: Oh, I didn’t do it for you, mate. 😉Hook: Perhaps gratitude is in order now?
Emma: Yeah, that’s what the thank you was for.
Hook: Is that all your father’s life is worth to you?Judging by words Hook himself said, he was after personal gain for saving Charming’s life, which is why I said there was a selfish element to his motivation for saving him. True heroes don’t save people’s lives anticipating a reward for it. Soldiers don’t go to war so they can earn the medals, they risk their lives just because it’s what must be done in order to help, and that’s the definition of a true selfless hero IMO.
Kind of hard to gain favor from someone when he tried to stop Charming from telling them what happened. He was saving Charming for Emma. He didn’t expect Charming to toast him. Contrary to some really weird belief Hook didn’t want Emma nor anybody to know that he saved Charming’s life. Just how he never expected Emma would actually kiss him.
What is this about Hook being selfish? Especially this season.
He led them to Neal knowing that it could leave him brokenhearted when he had so much hope.
He backed off for Henry’s sake, giving Neal and Emma a chance.
How was he being selfish in any of the situations. He’s the one that’s making the sacrifices not Neal.
Also I call BS on the people that all of a sudden are now gonna say oh “Hook’s gonna die a true hero” he can finally be redeemed. When just yesterday people were saying how oh he’s never gonna change, he’s always gonna be the selfish pirate.
You know what I call the people whom suddenly have a change of heart, magically now? Complete hypocrites and not to mention, very fake.
Also I personally am not gonna use classic literature(though beautiful literature) as a way to predict how this death will occur.
How about we think of something that is on the show and that could be potential foreshadowing.
Every secret from the cave has come true, except Emma’s. How’s that for chekhov’s gun.
Hook’s secret was that he believed that he would never move on from Milah -> Now believes Emma is his true love.
Snow’s secret was she wants to have a baby -> She’s now pregnant.
Charming’s secret was the dreamshade and he couldn’t give snow the family she wants because he can’t leave Neverland -> He’s cured of dreamshade and now he and Snow are having another baby.
Emma’s secret was she wished Neal was really dead so she won’t be able to feel the pain all over again ->….
That would be a heck of an emotional draw for Emma, she wanted Neal to be dead and it comes true. Yikes talk about angst galore.
I see that you’ve been on /r/onceuponatime XD
Great theory.
How about if it is Snow? It would tie in nicely to give Ginnifer time off to care for the baby.
I’m not going to touch the shipping aspect of this but killing Neal would be super repetitive at this point.
–we thought Baelfire was “lost” for a long time until the Return
–we thought Neal was just a random stranger until Manhattan (most of us suspected he was Bae but it wasn’t confirmed)
–we thought Neal was dead in Second Star to the Right
To be fair, they have done the “let’s kill Nealfire” thing several times already. And while I agree with Matt about how some ends can be tied up in one episode, a father and son storyline can’t. That’s not a one episode resolution. That’s a series long story. They can dispense with the SF stuff however they choose in one episode, but Neal and his son isn’t a one time thing–just like Emma and her parents and their growing evolution is a series long thing.
How about if it is Snow? It would tie in nicely to give Ginnifer time off to care for the baby.
Of the whole cast, I tend to think that Snow and Emma are the most safe. (and Rumple since they already said it’s not him)
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"A note to the writers: if the death is Neal or Belle, do us all a favor and keep Rumpel dead. thank you.
I sent Matt Mittovich a tweet asking if we could possibly know WHEN the death happens (cause I want to be prepared…)
He sent me this
@Punk_Bunny_87 The death happens in Episode 12. Or 13. Or 14 or 15, Maybe 16, Possibly 17 or 18, could be 19, 20 or 21. Possibly 22.
— Matt Mitovich (@MattMitovich) January 21, 2014
The death happens in Episode 12. Or 13. Or 14 or 15, Maybe 16, Possibly 17 or 18, could be 19, 20 or 21. Possibly 22.
Troll in the dungeon.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
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