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Can I ask what her reason was? I’ve heard similar stories. I told my mom and her first thought was “Hook” and @CrowendWithLaurels has a friend who apparently did the same thing.
Her reasons were for it being Hook was that Neverland was over, he doesn’t have much of a story left, and “they’re never going to put him and her together.”. Not trying to start shipping in here. This is the POV of a 70 year old non-fandom non-shipping fan of the show.
[adrotate group="5"]Keeper of Rumplestiltskin's and Neal's spears and war paint and crystal ball.
Yeah, I doubt they’d have Rumple tell Neal that as recently as the mid-season finale, if they were planning to kill Neal off.
If they did kill Neal, I’d be upset, as my favorite ship on the show would have faded from reality. But I wouldn’t stop watching the show. It’s Agents of SHIELD and the two OUAT’s for my TV schedule. Besides, I’m too invested in the plotline and fandom to just leave it. My mom wouldn’t stop watching (she watches it with me), and she knows about the death.
Keeper of Thor’s Hammer, Will Scarlet’s Genie Bottle, Emma’s Gun, Emma and Henry’s Moment at the Castle, Cora, and the infamous Family Tree!
Phee wrote: Yeah, I doubt they’d have Rumple tell Neal that as recently as the mid-season finale, if they were planning to kill Neal off.
If they did kill Neal, I’d be upset, as my favorite ship on the show would have faded from reality. But I wouldn’t stop watching the show. It’s Agents of SHIELD and the two OUAT’s for my TV schedule. Besides, I’m too invested in the plotline and fandom to just leave it. My mom wouldn’t stop watching (she watches it with me), and she knows about the death.
I wouldn’t stop watching. Even if Rumple were to truly die, I wouldn’t stop watching. Obviously I’m invested in this show.
I guess I’m just really thrown for a loop. A and E seemed to be on one trajectory for the series as a whole: the HEA of all their characters. And now one person is for sure not getting that. To say nothing of how it affects everyone.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I remember them saying how Damon Lindelof is the “godfather” for the show. I hope they consulted him before they decided to kill someone, since he’s pretty good at death *cough*LOST and Twitter hastle*cough*
Keeper of Thor’s Hammer, Will Scarlet’s Genie Bottle, Emma’s Gun, Emma and Henry’s Moment at the Castle, Cora, and the infamous Family Tree!
It’s interesting how people look at it.
“They won’t kill the popular character”
“They won’t kill the character they just killed”
“They won’t kill off a true love relationship”
“It’s story driven”
“Its actor driven”
“Its fan driven”
I didn’t start watching for any specific character. I’m not going to stop watching for any specific character. I am going to stop if the writing is bad, which means to me, characters that are so inconsistent or unlikeable or plot events that feel as out of left field as my crack theory suggestions.
Maybe its a tragic death, not something the character saw coming, like Graham or Billy. Maybe its a noble attempt to save others. Maybe its inevitable due to the character’s continued push to pursue conflicting goals with other characters, like Cora. Story can be driven to kill ANY of these characters. The only one they ruled out is RC.
I think many of us filter who would it be by fan popularity. We aren’t expecting Game of Thrones, no one’s safe. We were expecting quite the opposite actually, and even more so after the lowered emotional stakes of a character that actually died being magically restored fully intact. (Blue). Seemingly that went against the laws of magic within the show. Did they plan a permanent death before that? Or is it a response to “fix” the danger level?
The genius with GoT is that the swirling points of view ensure that at some point you’ll end up having two different characters you were “rooting” for in some sense, come into a conflict knowing only one can truly be happy with the end result. Yet there are so many likable (or detestable!) characters that the loss or victory of one, no matter how tragic or fulfilling is offset by the ongoing struggles of the others.
The writers started this off with the Regina/Charming conflict, threw in Rumple and we had a triangle of sorts. Remember Emma’s line to Gold? Am I for or against you? Maybe diagonally. That gave season 1 that sense of brilliance of multi-part conflict unfolding.
Season 2 lacked this tight plotting. There were some deepening mysteries but the answers began to be less than amazing, and the loose plot ends began to pile up. We get to season 3, and I know some people were just so thrilled because certain plot things they’d wanted to see happen did on some level–but look at the larger story. They had to time jump in order to really set up the next conflict and it seems like more or less they’re going to say “Yeah ignore everything we did –whole new ballgame.” By merging the protagonists/antagonists into “one big happy family” more or less, they lost a good source of conflict amongst the main cast.
It’s not as interesting to bring in a new villain and its “our team” versus a disposable villain with goals that are wholly unsympathetic. I’ll watch it but to paraphrase Myrill’s goodbye post–its no longer must-see TV, just some casual entertainment to watch if I’m in the mood. If the new feel goes back to S1’s, maybe it will draw me back but I suppose I have to wait and see.
So it’s not do I lose a character I was rooting for–but why that happens, and how well does the story make that meaningful (or not).“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
betsypaige24 wrote: I think Adam and Eddy have written themselves into a corner. They have always said that “dead is dead” they do now how do you ever bring Gold back without turning your back on one of the tenets of the show?
I think as an immortal, Rumple is an exception to the rule “dead is dead.” His dark one persona may have finally “died” only for the mortal man to be resurrected just as the beast technically died in B&B in order for the prince to be revealed. Rumple was an immortal when he “died” and immortality might’ve shielded Rumple’s mortality when his dark one curse was “undone.” In other words, the magic protected his life but not itself.
betsypaige24 wrote: I think Belle and Bae would sacrifice their lives for Gold, but he would not accept this. He made the decision to sacrifice himself tote their sake; he was ready to die and he would never want to live if it came at the expense if either of their lives. He wouldn’t allow it.
Exactly, or his sacrifice would’ve been in vain. Rumple did not sacrifice himself to then see his loved ones die in his place. Rumple said that Baelfire was his happy ending, and he died to give him another chance at happiness. And though Belle might willingly trade her life for her beloved’s in a heart beat, Rumple would never be able to live with himself if she did this, so her sacrifice would ultimately be in vain, too. That is why I think all 3 will survive.
Its an interesting point you bring up, but I don’t think that’s it because Eddy didn’t say the DO died, he said Gold/Rumple died. Also, they said before and we saw this in TMD that even as an immortal, Gold could be killed (as opposed to dying naturally, which he wouldn’t). Since he can be killed, that’s apparently what happened.
As to your 2nd, well he died for both of them……and not to be a stickler (but I can’t help it, being a Rumbeller), his HE is with Bae in his life and being with Belle. Belle would give her life for his, but Gold simply would not accept it.
Unless Bobby wanted out of his contract or he asked for reduced workload (neither of which I believe), Gold can’t be “dead”, but I still hate what Eddy said. Of course, I hate most of the things he says.
As to who will live and die, I still think it’s Bae, Belle or Hook. There are many reasons for it not to be Belle or even Bae, less so for Hook, but in the end what it comes down to is that I don’t think they will ever kill off any of the other regulars.
I just don’t see a HEA for all the characters when Adam and Eddy specificially said that not all the characters would be getting happy endings………and I don’t think they were misleading us; I think they were very serious
Coconut in fire made the BF come back to life. (rolls eyes) They wrote themselves into a corner by saying dead is dead and then not sticking to it. However this is one case where I’m ok with it
The BF wasn’t dead, though, not really – she just had her shadow removed. Here, Eddy has come right out and said that Gold is dead. Yes, he then said he saw the dagger go into him, implying that he merely thinks he must be dead, assuming it, but his first words were to say “he’s dead”. Of course I don’t want Gold to be dead, but apparently he is and now they’re going to have to resurrect him in some way. I have no idea why they didn’t just go with the “his sacrifice saved him” bit which I had assumed. It’s like his sacrifice was no big deal to Adam/Eddy
I just don’t see a HEA for all the characters when Adam and Eddy specificially said that not all the characters would be getting happy endings………and I don’t think they were misleading us; I think they were very serious
Coconut in fire made the BF come back to life. (rolls eyes) They wrote themselves into a corner by saying dead is dead and then not sticking to it. However this is one case where I’m ok with it
The BF wasn’t dead, though, not really – she just had her shadow removed. Here, Eddy has come right out and said that Gold is dead. Yes, he then said he saw the dagger go into him, implying that he merely thinks he must be dead, assuming it, but his first words were to say “he’s dead”. Of course I don’t want Gold to be dead, but apparently he is and now they’re going to have to resurrect him in some way. I have no idea why they didn’t just go with the “his sacrifice saved him” bit which I had assumed. It’s like his sacrifice was no big deal to Adam/Eddy
I don’t know how reliable IMDB is, but Robert Carlyle was only listed on the show for 2011-2013 and now they changed it to 2011-2014, and he’s not listed under the early episodes for 3B but he’s listed as Rumpelstiltskin/Mr. Gold for Episode 316! Rumple comes back!
Emilie and Colin are also listed for 316 but not MRJ 🙁
I would be interested in hearing, if your character were to die, how you’d want them to die. And here’s a crack pot theory which I know won’t happen.
There is an intimate wedding. Regina and Robin. WWW, who’s was in love with Robin arrives. She looks at Regina and says “Love is weakness. I shall destroy your happiness. I shall destroy the happiness of all the wretched denizens of this wretched wretched land.”
WWW has cast a love curse, an 8:15 curse. Someone will die every evening at 8:15 until the curse is broken.
As the sun sets, and the clock approaches 8:00, Rumple arrives. He gathers the townsfolk around the well and says there is a way to break the curse, but it requires great courage and great sacrifice. He tosses some enchantments into the well, turns to the people around him and says “only one ingredient is missing. You’ve all seen it done, Dearies. All it takes is belief, and true love. The only way to break the curse is for the hand of the truest hero to sacrifice the heart of their truest love”.
One person will become a hero, and another will die. Would your hero cowardly stand by and watch? Would they die? Or would they sacrifice their love and save the town?
It’s a hard spoiler to figure out, based on everything we know. I’ve explained my reasons for each of the Bottom Three (Neal, Hook, and Belle), and with that said, I believe it’s Hook. Rumple told Bae that he would have a happy ending, just not with him. That should immediately exclude Neal from the running. Belle is a determined person, so she will work to find Rumple. She can’t just DIE after that!
As for Rumple’s death, let me reiterate the Golden TV Rule of Death: No Body, no Death!
about this “no body no death” thing. what exactly could they do at that time?? if there WAS a body, these are the problems they would have run into:
1) Belle would be crying over his body, they would have to somehow have some sort of a funeral which they had no time for. there was no TIME before the curse hit to deal with a body, no matter what.
2) where would they put the body? under Malcolm’s body? over it? I mean come on, either way it’d be ridiculous!
3) we would have to deal with who would take that knife out of them, and see the name erased etc. and again there was no TIME and how would they open Gold’s grip on that dagger etc. would be a bit freaky
4) and how would they both fall?
just some of the problems….
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