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May 6, 2015 at 6:13 pm #304052RumplesGirlKeymaster
And sucks in all the darkness into the dagger and therefore into herself. She becomes the new dark one. Calling it now.
But the darkness is literally supposed to be transposed into the new DO. I mean you have to physically alter yourself to become the DO, hence the stabbing. The darkness does into your body, literally not metaphorically. The darkness does not reside in the dagger, but in Rumple himself, hence his very real heart condition. The darkness and the dagger work together but if Rumple had cleaved himself from the dagger, the darkness would still be apart of him.
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"May 6, 2015 at 6:16 pm #304053MatthewPaulModeratorCora said if Rumple dies before the DO power is passed on to someone, that magic just evaporates.
Cora: More than injured, I’d say. He’s dying. And when his name disappears, all of that power of his will just… Boil off into the air and… Then there will be no new Dark One.
Which I seriously hope Adam and Eddy stick to that.
That sounds more like a theory of Cora’s rather than a verified fact. Aside from Rumple’s sacrifice in Season 3, has a Dark One ever died without being stabbed with the dagger by someone else? How would she know for sure what would happen if it’s never happened? I agree it would come off as retconish, but again, you can fanwank that she was theorizing.
May 6, 2015 at 6:18 pm #304054RumplesGirlKeymasterThere are plenty of things that aren’t established as in-show rule and then they go and do it… like splitting a heart and sharing it. I’m just saying that we’re off the map when it comes to Dark One rules because Rumple, for whatever reason, appears to no longer be the DO. If Emma is doing a spell, okay, but the show has established that there needs to be a stabbing for a new DO. Now, yes, it’s the previous DO but if that’s off the table, the stabbing could still work if the DO’s power goes back to the dagger itself.
Again, I don’t understand why you would assume a stabbing would be necessary in this unique situation. The stabbing is specifically to kill the previous Dark One. If there’s no previous Dark One to stab, then why is stabbing of any kind still required? Stabbing yourself to become the Dark One seems like an utterly pointless rule, if it were to become a thing. Why would someone becoming the Dark One have to inflict self harm?
Because how else does someone become the DO if there is no DO to kill. We’re in uncharted territory, again. The basic rule is that to become the DO you have to stab someone. There is no one to stab but the premise of it remains. It has never been hinted at nor said that holding up the dagger and waving it around will cause a person to become the DO. We did see Rumple stab himself and he ended up retaining his DO status. That was a shift in the rules because it was uncharted territory. This is that same idea; it’s a new rule that we don’t know about because it’s never happened. There is also something to be said about the power of a good visual. Emma holding up the dagger declaring that they all need their HEA’s or whatever pales in comparison to the savior stabbing herself with the object that is heavily symbolic of all that is evil and dark.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"May 6, 2015 at 6:20 pm #304055RumplesGirlKeymasterETA: I’m not saying that it must be Emma stabbing herself, I’m simply suggesting that there might be more to the scene that we know and that stabbing herself is far more mythic, poetic, and a good visual (and we are watching TV after all). If I’m wrong, then so be it. But no matter what–stabby or wavey–it’s never been established so trying to use any sort of rubric of “what happened before” makes little sense.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"May 6, 2015 at 8:58 pm #304070DanParticipantMy crazy not-happening guess is now storybrooke isn’t the only place with magic and the Land Without Magic turns into a crazy place with dragons, curses and POOF’s everywhere.
May 7, 2015 at 1:17 pm #304127SlurpeezParticipantFrom TVLine:
SEASON FINALE (MAY 10): Among Season 4B’s ongoing agendas, “We make good on what Regina was after, in the sense that she wanted to find the Author and have him rewrite endings,” Kitsis shares. But compared to recent finales, “Nobody is coming out of an urn and freezing people,” quips Horowitz. Says Kitsis: “Usually we’re like, ‘Hey, we’re going to a new land,’ but this is much more in the vein of when Gold looked up [at the end of Season 1] and said, ‘Magic is coming,’ where a condition on the show changed as opposed to the characters changing.”
The writers said they weren’t introducing realm-traveling or new characters, as happened at the end of S2. Instead, A&E said the finale would end in a fashion similar to how S1 ended –“magic is coming” was the new condition, along with the first curse having been lifted. So what could this new condition be? A new curse? The disappearance of SB? More amnesia? Or is it a totally new condition that is changing?
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
May 7, 2015 at 1:38 pm #304130MatthewPaulModeratorThe closer we get to the finale, the more I fully believe that Jafar won’t be making an appearance in it. That’s not to say we won’t get Jafar in Season 5, but I just don’t see him making his entrance quite yet. After all, Season 1 didn’t end with a new villain being introduced. For Season 2’s villains, we did see Cora in episode 118, but she wouldn’t return til 202, and Hook wouldn’t appear at all until 204. Hook did get a teaser at SDCC that Summer, so something similar could happen with Jafar and/or Aladdin. The end of Season 2 clearly set up Peter Pan as the next villain, but we also didn’t technically see Peter Pan until the Season 3 premiere.
May 7, 2015 at 1:46 pm #304131PheeParticipantThough there seem to be multiple pieces of information suggesting no Jafar, the article still uses the word “uncorked”, which just makes me think of a bottle, which Jafar is currently stuck in. So, yeah.
As for how Emma becomes the new Dark One, weren’t there flashing lights and stuff on set? I’ve just been assuming that there’s a big storm cloud of dark magic stuff and Emma holds up the Dagger and it acts like a lightening rod and she gets zapped and that’s what transfers the power into her.
May 7, 2015 at 1:53 pm #304134SlurpeezParticipantAs for how Emma becomes the new Dark One, weren’t there flashing lights and stuff on set? I’ve just been assuming that there’s a big storm cloud of dark magic stuff and Emma holds up the Dagger and it acts like a lightening rod and she gets zapped and that’s what transfers the power into her.
That’s interesting. I had thought maybe the lightning was caused by Emma’s emotions going all hay-wire, as happened in S4a, when Ingrid aggravated her. Emma’s magic being out of control made her accidentally boil her brother’s bottle of milk and then she accidentally hurt Henry. It was almost like Emma was actually conducting electricity, which would fit with your theory about Emma using the dagger as a lightning rod.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
May 7, 2015 at 2:03 pm #304135obisgirlParticipantLike what Doc did in the first Back to the Future movie.
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