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Interesting how Eddy thinks Neal is Gold’s moral center and Bobby repeatedly says it’s Belle. So we still don’t know what Belle’s plan is at all, but it sounds like she and Neal are not going to be looking for him together…… it sounds like she’s on her own, which is ok with me
I don’t think it’s a mutually exclusive thing. I think both Neal and Belle are and have been Rumple’s moral compass at times. Bae urged his father to do the right thing in flashbacks we’ve seen and Belle has urged Rumple to do right. It’s a both-and, not an either-or. I think Neal and Belle’s plans will both converge in Oz, and they’ll both team up in OperationGOLD to save Rumple.
Well I think when they were together and Rumple had cursed himself, yes, but after that, as much as he loved Bae, his boy was not that moral compass for him. Father and son don’t really know each other and I do agree with Bobby on this. I guess maybe what I mean is that Belle is his anchor and rock – and Bobby always says this, always says that she’s his emotional, moral center. This isn’t meant to be a slight on Bae, just a notation that the relationships are very different (aside from the obvious).
Hmm, so you mean they go on separate journeys and end up in Oz? I don’t see how Neal is going to try and find Emma/Henry and still try and find his father…..I read spoilers that said they are on the same side, which I’m sure they are, but they have different plans?
I just need ANY info on Belle – Matt didn’t give us THAT much, lol
[adrotate group="5"]I’d like Neal to have that fight with himself to see how far he would go to achieve his goal – whoever or whatever it may be. It’d set up a great reunion between Neal and Rumple, because Rumple had that same struggle. He saw his father’s choice to go dark, as a child and therefore more naïve, did not agree with Rumple’s choices. And growing up he did things he maybe wasn’t thrilled about doing to survive but you can’t compare petty theft – ok and maybe a little more than petty theft, but that was just 1 time! – to Rumple’s decision to become the Dark One. But being tempted will give him a new appreciation for what his father went through and why he made the choices he made. Do I think he’d go dark? No. Neal is far stronger and braver than Rumple and even Malcolm ever were. But it’d be an awesome storyline to see him get THISCLOSE!
Well I think when they were together and Rumple had cursed himself, yes, but after that, as much as he loved Bae, his boy was not that moral compass for him. Father and son don’t really know each other and I do agree with Bobby on this. I guess maybe what I mean is that Belle is his anchor and rock – and Bobby always says this, always says that she’s his emotional, moral center. This isn’t meant to be a slight on Bae, just a notation that the relationships are very different (aside from the obvious).
No doubt that Belle has a special status in Rumple’s heart as his True Love. She’s Rumples’ moral guide in FTL, SB and NL. And I totally get that up until very recently, Neal and Rumple were estranged. I was just making the additional point that as a boy Bae urged his father to come with him to A Land Without Magic so his father would be free of his dark curse. Neal had a difficult time in 3×4 seeing his father had changed but by 3×9 was seeing his dad through new eyes. I think this new story arc is going to further help Bae see Rumple with fresh eyes.
Well I think when they were together and Rumple had cursed himself, yes, but after that, as much as he loved Bae, his boy was not that moral compass for him. Father and son don’t really know each other and I do agree with Bobby on this. I guess maybe what I mean is that Belle is his anchor and rock – and Bobby always says this, always says that she’s his emotional, moral center. This isn’t meant to be a slight on Bae, just a notation that the relationships are very different (aside from the obvious). Hmm, so you mean they go on separate journeys and end up in Oz? I don’t see how Neal is going to try and find Emma/Henry and still try and find his father…..I read spoilers that said they are on the same side, which I’m sure they are, but they have different plans? I just need ANY info on Belle – Matt didn’t give us THAT much, lol
Essentially, yes. Two plans, one goal that converges in Oz. I think they’ll have slightly different ideas at first about how to achieve OperationGOLD but their disparate journeys will eventually lead them to the same place: OZ. Belle and Bae are on the same team with the same goal. 😀
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
I don’t think Rumple holds his lover higher than his son. And I don’t think Rumple holds his son higher than his lover. When he thought Belle died, he fell deeper into madness. When he though Nealfire died, he decided to go on a suicide mission and never return. Rumple is full of love and it is for those two individuals, at the same time, in the same degree. Neal is his happy ending. Belle is his happily ever after.
Essentially, yes. Two plans, one goal that converges in Oz. I think they’ll have slightly different ideas at first about how to achieve OperationGOLD but their disparate journeys will eventually lead them to the same place: OZ. Belle and Bae are on the same time with the same goal. 😀
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"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I’m happy we finally get some hints about Neal’s story line, and I hope the writers stick to the core of who this character has been written to be. Yes, Neal can be tempted, maybe even something a little questionable but I don’t see him as the type to recklessly endanger others on the scale that Rumple did. There is a difference between being hasty and impulsive, perhaps even naive in trusting someone to help you without properly questioning their motives or the cost of the help, on the one hand, and being selfishly, recklessly unconcerned about how others might be affected. I can’t see Neal being Neal still if he is written as just not caring what the cost is to anyone else. I suppose we wait and see!
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
I wasn’t saying he valued one over the other, RG, but while I often don’t agree with Bobby, I agree with him when he says that Belle is his moral center, his emotional sensor, things like that – he says it all the time. Of course he adores his son, but it’s Belle who’s always believed in him and fought for him…….. His relationship with Bae is completely different…
Yeah he went on a suicide mission, but it was to save Henry and he honestly felt he wasn’t coming back. If he had felt he was going to live, he wouldn’t have just decided to die…..Happy Ending, HEA, all the same to me. I’m admit that I’m not quite sure what the difference is supposed to be.
Anyway, I guess I need to either decompress or quit the show because it appears ominous for Belle’s future. I admit I don’t think she’ll have much to do, no matter what Adam/Eddy said……she’ll be sidelined again, no doubt
There is a difference between being hasty and impulsive, perhaps even naive in trusting someone to help you without properly questioning their motives or the cost of the help, on the one hand, and being selfishly, recklessly unconcerned about how others might be affected. I can’t see Neal being Neal still if he is written as just not caring what the cost is to anyone else. I suppose we wait and see!
Neither can I see Neal making a selfish choice at the cost of everyone else’s happy ending. In fact, the way Neal has thus far been written is as an empathetic character who makes the selfless choice time an time again for the greater good. He took the place of Wendy’s brother in an attempt to spare them the pain of dark magic. He scarified himself when he let go of Emma so that Henry wouldn’t have to grow up alone. Also, while hotly debated, Adam and Eddy confirmed in “Who’s Baelfire” that Neal let Emma go to break the curse as a self-sacrifice; he could’ve settled down with Emma and just said, “screw everybody else’s happiness.” Yet, he decided to let Emma fulfill her destiny. MRJ has said Neal stepped on a grenade for the greater good, so while I could see him being very tempted to unleash this new curse, he ultimately won’t be swayed. There is a lot that is yet to be explored about Neal, and I’m so glad that we’re finally going to explore this more. I hope we get much more of Neal’s backstory about what he did after NL and before and after he met Emma the first time (here’s hoping to see more of that story in 3×20 called “Kansas” with the much-anticipated return of August).
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Betsy, if your always looking for the worst, you’ll see the worst. It’s like shipper goggles.
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Keeper of FelixI hope we get much more of Neal’s backstory about what he did after NL and before and after he met Emma the first time (here’s hoping to see more of that story in 3×20 called “Kansas” with the much-anticipated return of August).
The big question for me is did Neal to go Oz before Kansas, or straight to Kansas. I think one of these is for sure true, just can’t figure out which it is.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"The first half of the season our villains faced redemption. But after redemption comes forgiveness from others. I think this second half we will see our characters reversing roles, one learning empathy for the other.
In Neal’s case, he will be living the nightmare his father lived, being separated from his son. Neal will learn and live what his father felt. Loneliness, desperation, and guilt. Though it wasn’t his fault he is separated from Henry, Neal will feel guilty that he didn’t do more.
Through his journey, Neal will truely empathize with his father’s desperation to do anything to find his son. Through empathy, Neal will finally understand and genuinely forgive Rumple.
It’s a real possibility that Henry, having altered memories will accuse Neal of abandoning him and Emma just as Neal blamed Rumple. Not knowing the whole story, Neal didn’t understand why his father could never go through that portal with him.Will Neal be tempted to go against his belief that magic is wrong? YES! Just as he was tempted to use it before, he will use it again. Blood magic. NOT dark magic. I think Neal will most definitely use magic.
Reversal of Roles will be both heartbreaking and lovely. I’m looking foreword to seeing how it plays out.
Interesting that Neal will also be reversing roles with Emma. Imagine his unspoken heartbreak when he learns Emma has moved on and learned to love again, via Walsh. Just like Emma was similarly crushed to learn Neal had moved on with Tamara.
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