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@Cinders – Brilliant theory! I think this role reversal is exactly what’s going on. Though I think we’ll see Neal face a similar situation to one his dad faced, only to see how Neal will ultimately choose differently than his dad did. Yet, just being in such a similar scenario will create deeper empathy on Neal’s part for his dad, and make him all the more determined to save his Papa.
[adrotate group="5"]"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
In Neal’s case, he will be living the nightmare his father lived, being separated from his son. Neal will learn and live what his father felt. Loneliness, desperation, and guilt. Though it wasn’t his fault he is separated from Henry, Neal will feel guilty that he didn’t do more.
Absolutely. Neal is already a lot like his father–full of self loathing about his past deeds and what he’s done. And now he’s faced with the same choice–how far do you go to find your child?
Through his journey, Neal will truely empathize with his father’s desperation to do anything to find his son. Through empathy, Neal will finally understand and genuinely forgive Rumple.
Ok. Well. I just started crying a little bit.
Blood magic. NOT dark magic. I think Neal will most definitely use magic.
Agreed. And blood magic isn’t inherently evil. Blood magic was used to find Emma the first time! Neal might remember this and try to find Emma and Henry.
Interesting that Neal will also be reversing roles with Emma. Imagine his unspoken heartbreak when he learns Emma has moved on and learned to love again, via Walsh. Just like Emma was similarly crushed to learn Neal had moved on with Tamara.
And if Walsh is “evil” then there are more parallels
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Someone in the SF thread made another excellent point that Snow faced her heart being darkened in “The Miller’s Daughter” yet she didn’t ultimately “go dark.” I then added my own points why I think Neal and Snow so well parallel each other. Snow’s dark heart was interesting but largely over-hyped because there is no way that Snow would really go dark, just as Neal ultimately won’t. There are SO many parallels between Snow and Neal. Both are children of parental figures who chose dark magic (Regina and Rumple), so both know what it feels like to be on the receiving end of that addiction. Both Snow and Neal tried hard to save their parental figures from themselves. Both Snow and Neal suffered isolation as a result of bad decisions their parents made. Both Snow and Neal were thieves who only stole to survive. They both know what it is like to feel alone as thieves on the run. Both Neal and Snow have always wanted family. Both Snow and Neal are the loved ones of people who find them, Charming and Emma respectively. Both Neal and Snow had to break the hearts of their loved ones because of other people interfering (August and King George). Both Snow and Neal made the equally difficult decision to let go of Emma to fulfill her destiny. Both Snow and Neal crave a second chance and forgiveness with Emma. Snow gets Neal and empathizes with him, despite having not shared many conversations with him, because they’re so fundamentally similar and have made similar decisions.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
RG I think you should have put this in the Shipping thread, because if anyone disagreed at all that Neal would be like his father and go Dark so to speak the Neal’s fan’s would be running to this thread to defend him tooth and nail so to speak and another battle would begin in my humble opinion.
RG I think you should have put this in the Shipping thread, because if anyone disagreed all the Neal’s fan’s would be running to this post do defend him tooth and nail so to speak imo.
It is in the shipping thread, but it is also a general spoiler that is for everyone to read. And several CSers have already agreed with every we say about the temptation of Neal but how his heart is too good in the end. We do not believe in censorship around here. We believe in healthy debate. It is fine where it is.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"In Neal’s case, he will be living the nightmare his father lived, being separated from his son. Neal will learn and live what his father felt. Loneliness, desperation, and guilt. Though it wasn’t his fault he is separated from Henry, Neal will feel guilty that he didn’t do more.
Through his journey, Neal will truely empathize with his father’s desperation to do anything to find his son. Through empathy, Neal will finally understand and genuinely forgive Rumple.My heart is already breaking, and I can’t wait to see this playing out. Was very clever of them to put Neal in the same situation his father was in so that they’ll be able to explore how Neal will handle it, given how his father’s actions affected him.
Neal doesn’t approve of Rumple having hurt and used others, and he wouldn’t want Henry to look at him in the same way, so I can’t see Neal choosing the same path that Rumple did in order to get back to his son.
It’s a real possibility that Henry, having altered memories will accuse Neal of abandoning him and Emma just as Neal blamed Rumple. Not knowing the whole story, Neal didn’t understand why his father could never go through that portal with him.
And wouldn’t that just be typical and heartbreaking, if Neal agonises over not wanting Henry to look at him like he looked at Rumple, so he strives to do the right thing and find another way that won’t hurt everyone in the process, and then Henry still hates him, believing he abandoned him and Emma, and abandonment is what Neal held against Rumple for all those years, so he knows how powerful that resentment can be.
Yeah I agree. It is the way of the Stiltskin men, they get super tempted for power, youth, ect. But it has always been up to Neal to break that cycle–just like the cycle of abandonment. And Neal told Henry in 309 that he’d always have a father, he’d never leave him. That was him taking the first step in breaking the abusive cycle from Malcolm-Rumple-Bae. So I do think Nealfire might be super tempted because it’s part of who he is–a Stiltskin–but he’s also already shown that he knows it’s up to him to break those bad cycles.
Yep. They’ve already shown Neal working to break the cycle of father/son abandonment in that family, and that was a very clear cut decision for him to always be there for Henry. But now there will be a grey area, because he wants to keep that vow of never leaving Henry, and also doesn’t want to turn into his father, which he might be tempted to do as a means of getting back to Henry.
It’s all so deliciously cyclical with the angst potential.
I could JUST see Emma and Henry not remembering who he was in SB only that he abandoned Emma…
I can HEAR Henry telling Emma don’t trust him, he abandoned you
I can HEAR him telling Emma/Henry that there’s no greater pain than regret, and I can hear them answering “Try abandonment”I can HEAR him telling Emma/Henry that there’s no greater pain than regret, and I can hear them answering “Try abandonment”
He just needs to say it to Henry. Emma’s gonna remember everything pretty quickly, including that Neal didn’t just abandon her without reason, but Henry won’t, and having the regret/abandonment conversation between Neal and Henry is so agonising and perfect as a parallel scene to the Neal/Rumple conversation, that it HAS to happen.
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