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Everyone keeps going on an on about Rufio. Maybe I should watch Hook. It’s the only version of Peter Pan that I’ve never seen, and that’s even counting the Mary Martin version.
(On a off-topic note but semi-related, I just watched a documentary today about the making of Disney’s animated Peter Pan and the history of the story and it was quite fascinating. )
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Yes, but they rarely use the true names of the characters that would be recognizable in the casting calls. Wendy was “Heidi” and RH was just “thief” and using Rufio is a good way to get people excited while throwing us off at the same time. Rufio was the Pan after Peter left, but he is also not a part of the Disney story and belongs to Sony, like Eddie and Adam said. This “Rufio” may not be Rufio or even PP, but he might be a “Rufio” like character. Someone who is just below PP on the heirarchy but above Felix.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"As far as Rufio goes, all I can say is if it’s a placeholder name for someone else, they should have chosen a different name, because now there are quite a few fans excited about actual Rufio being on the show, and I imagine they’ll be quite disappointed if it’s not the case.
Well, they lied about “Her” being important, although that was mostly Jane professing that, so I won’t be shocked if they lie about Tamara being someone from the Enchanted Forest…and if she’s Robin Hood’s and Marian’s daughter I consider that from the Enchanted Forest. Marian was pregnant whilst Belle was in the beginnings of her Rumple servitude so she definitely had the baby before Snow’s pregnancy so that baby would be born in the EF and probably a toddler or small child when the curse hit.
The thing with “Her” not being important wasn’t even a lie from Jane, is was the person who interviewed her misinterpreting what she’d said, and stating that misinterpetation in another podcast when Jane wasn’t there to clarify.
As far as the comments from K&H about Tamara not being a FTL character, they get around having lied about that because traditionally, RH and Marian don’t have a child who is a well known, already established character outside of the show. The character would be a new invention.
Also, theories about RH being Tamara’s father involve the pregnant Marian having potentially come to our world and giving birth here. That conveniently, technically, would mean she wasn’t from FTL. In our world, you’re a citizen of whatever county you’re born in. I know of a couple who lives in Kuwait, but they wanted their son to be British, so they temporarily set up camp in London late in the pregnancy, so the kid is a British citizen, even though the family lives in Kuwait, and the kid was conceived when they were in America. At the end of the day, the locality you “belong” to is determined by where you’re born. So even if Tamara was conceived in FTL, if she’s born here, she’s technically from our world, and K&H didn’t lie.
They made a distinction with Alexandra and Henry. Henry would have been left all alone because the curse would have wiped out everybody not of this world and even though Alexandra was born in SB, she was conceived in FTL and Adam clarified that on twitter and said that was why Henry would have been alone.
So, hypothetically if Tamara is RH’s daughter, she would have been wiped out too and isn’t 100% from our world. I don’t think they lied in either instance though so it makes me hopeful maybe she isn’t RH’s daughter after all. (Which would be my preference). I’m not sure how they could have said she’s just human if she were in any way connected to FTL through birth, especially after clarifying the thing with Alexandra (thanks for reminding me of that!). Adam could have said they just didn’t mention her and that Henry would have been alone in Regina’s eyes because all of his family would have been gone etc etc and that really Henry would have had to take care of Alexandra all by himself, but Adam said Alexandra was conceived in FTL so it made her different per the failsafe trigger so I would think the same would be true of Tamara and her humanness. It’ll be interesting to see how they approach that though. I really don’t think they lied so I’d like to think that they’re consistent about it and they’ve said repeatedly she’s human.
That being said I think for sure something happened to her (similar to what happened to Owen) and that magic has affected her life in some super tragic way, but this does raise the issue of how is she just a person who is part of this organization if she’s related to (and in existence in some form or another) in FTL prior to coming to our world?
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Yes, but they rarely use the true names of the characters that would be recognizable in the casting calls.
Yeah, but they HAVE used the true names of the characters when it’s no longer a secret that they or their stories will be touched upon in the series. Examples of this are the casting calls of Captain Hook and Prince Philip (cast weeks after Princess Aurora was).
As far as Rufio goes, all I can say is if it’s a placeholder name for someone else, they should have chosen a different name, because now there are quite a few fans excited about actual Rufio being on the show, and I imagine they’ll be quite disappointed if it’s not the case.
That’s how I feel about this as well.
They made a distinction with Alexandra and Henry. Henry would have been left all alone because the curse would have wiped out everybody not of this world and even though Alexandra was born in SB, she was conceived in FTL and Adam clarified that on twitter and said that was why Henry would have been alone.
So, hypothetically if Tamara is RH’s daughter, she would have been wiped out too and isn’t 100% from our world.
Ah true, I’d forgotten those comments from them. Wouldn’t have really mattered if Tamara had have been wiped out though, because Greg woulda been fine, and all PP needed was 1 person left alive who could bring Henry to him.
I’m not sure how they could have said she’s just human if she were in any way connected to FTL through birth, especially after clarifying the thing with Alexandra (thanks for reminding me of that!).
There are plenty of regular humans in FTL, and RH and Marian were two of them, (humans who used magical objects, but mere mortal humans nonetheless), so any child of theirs would also just be human.
That being said I think for sure something happened to her (similar to what happened to Owen) and that magic has affected her life in some super tragic way, but this does raise the issue of how is she just a person who is part of this organization if she’s related to (and in existence in some form or another) in FTL prior to coming to our world?
For sure, even if her parents weren’t from FTL, magic must have had an impact on her life in some way. They’ve made a point of establishing that SB wasn’t the first time magic had come into our world, so I guess they could cook up any number of stories for magic having affected Tamara’s life.
Coming up with a completely separate storyline complicates and expands things more though. That’s one of the reasons I like the child of RH & MM theory, because it keeps the storyline tight by having Tamara’s history linked to the story we already know. Nealfire’s dad having held Tamara’s dad prisoner would be a delightful little it’s-a-small-world moment. And it’s sort of tragic if you think about how if Rumple had killed RH, maybe Marian and the baby’s lives would have played out differently…maybe Tamara never would have been part of THO…maybe that unborn child that Rumple saw never would have tried to kill his own son and torn apart his hopes of the reunion he’d been craving for centuries. I get a kick out of the potential of the interwoven angst, so I’m totally on board if they do go in that direction.
So, hypothetically if Tamara is RH’s daughter, she would have been wiped out too and isn’t 100% from our world. I don’t think they lied in either instance though so it makes me hopeful maybe she isn’t RH’s daughter after all. (Which would be my preference).
True, but she was willing to die for “the cause” so it is still a possibility. I just don’t know why RH would be in a season opener unless he is connected to Tamara. It’s too early in the season for a Snow story about learning from RH.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"The writers made a distinction on Twitter about Alexandra and Henry, but not sure if the way they worded it ruled out Greg and /or Tamara surviving or being killed by it–they simply were not part of the scope of that answer. So I think it is quite possible for either thing to have have happened. All we know is that Tamara has said she is human, that she didn’t consider herself to be part of “your kind” when talking to Hook about the impact of the fail safe (or didn’t want Greg or Hook to know otherwise, if she knew she had magical roots). Hard to say as I think it is something the writers didn’t think about too deeply–so I don’t think Tamara will be RH’s child. Whatever her back story is, I think it will be more like Greg’s, if we indeed ever get it. She’s someone who ran into magic in “the real world” and hates it.
I also think the writers did not think about the fact that Emma has been in SB for an entire year, with time moving forward. I suppose it has been only a month since the memory curse broke, so maybe no babies were conceived and born in Storybrooke because of the curse. The writers didn’t TELL us that though. The only baby we knew about was Alexandra, but in retrospect seems odd that there were not any others.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
Would Alexandea have survived the fail safe going off? I haven’t seen any of the writers or producers tweet an answer to this question.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
That is a very good question. I remember Henry asked if he would survive and Regina said he would because he was born here (in our world), and Alexandria was born here too, so I guess she would survive the failsafe. But you should definitely ask Adam or Eddie next time they have a twitter chat to be sure.
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