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And it’s sort of tragic if you think about how if Rumple had killed RH, maybe Marian and the baby’s lives would have played out differently…maybe Tamara never would have been part of THO…maybe that unborn child that Rumple saw never would have tried to kill his own son and torn apart his hopes of the reunion he’d been craving for centuries. I get a kick out of the potential of the interwoven angst, so I’m totally on board if they do go in that direction.
The scene where Belle caught glimpse of the humanity still lurking inside Rumplestiltskin’s soul for the first time. *sniff* The beginning of her realizing that there just might be more to him than he appears. To think that if he’d been ruthless and without sympathy, in essence the monster he seems to be, his son might not have been separated from his family and August’s story would have come out differently, also. This is all assuming that Tamara might be RH’s and Marian’s daughter.
This opens a whole can of ethics and goes back to the old adage of “No good deed goes unpunished.” You do something morally and ethically right and the end result is something horrible. Sort of the opposite of the debate of “does the ends justify the means.”
Man, we’re getting a bit deep in our discussions. I think we need more information. Maybe Adam will give us a little Independence Day present…we do love fireworks on this holiday. 😀
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I feel like so much of this show could go back to “if only…”
If only Rumple hadn’t left the war
If only Milah had stayed with Rumple
If only Cora hadn’t lied to the king about her abilities"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Would Alexandea have survived the fail safe going off? I haven’t seen any of the writers or producers tweet an answer to this question.
That’s what a couple of the previous posts were referring to, that Adam tweeted that Alexandra would not have survived, because she was conceived in FTL.
@AdamHorowitzLA they say that Henry will be the only one to live since he was the only one born in our land. What about Alexandra?
— Kallie Swanqueen (@BabyBearOUAT) June 9, 2013
@BabyBearOUAT do you mean Ella's baby? She was conceived in FTL. #technicality
— Adam Horowitz (@AdamHorowitzLA) June 9, 2013
Man, we’re getting a bit deep in our discussions. I think we need more information. Maybe Adam will give us a little Independence Day present…we do love fireworks on this holiday. 😀
As an Aussie, I don’t celebrate Independence Day…but I still LOVE me some fireworks, so bring it on! 😉
That confirms what I thought about the way they answered. They went back to a technicality about where Alexandra was conceived, but it of course leaves a lot of things open to assumptions about what that implies. Were no babies conceived and born in the year Emma came to SB? We weren’t shown any of course, so none of us asked about it.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
Goes back to the old discussion on fertility and the Enchanted Forest. Fertility rates are way off balance compared to what they should be in a period without modern medicine and technology. Unless everyone is running to Rumple for magic potions or spells, the birth rate should be much higher. I can understand few pregnancies when time starts moving in Storybrooke because of modern birth control, but it’s not 100% effective and I would think a few babies would be starting to pop up here and there throughout the very large town. Once Emma showed up and time started moving, Ashley was able to have the baby so I would bet that people would be able to conceive, too. It’s just one of those things that we just shouldn’t think about, kind of how we think about the other kids in the classes in Harry Potter (it’s said there are a thousand kids in school yet each level only has a handful…the numbers never did add up).
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Yeah, I think that’s a suspension of disbelief thing. People should have been able to conceive, but it’s also not that important to the overall storyline if it’s not happening to one of the core.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"@ Phee: Thanks!
I still fail to see how being conceived in the EF vs being borne in A Land Without magic would matter at all. Surely what matters is a person’s place if birth otherwise Passports would be issued based on the shakiest if foundations: here-say. Since there is no way to verify that a person is conceived in a certain country, what matters is a person’s birthplace. Also, sometimes a person can get citizenship based on their parents’s birthplace. So, Alexandra and Henry should be citizens of A Land Without Magic by birthplace alone and only citizens of the EF secondarily based on their parents’ birthplace.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Well, they lied about “Her” being important, although that was mostly Jane professing that, so I won’t be shocked if they lie about Tamara being someone from the Enchanted Forest.
I don’t think they lied. And, I could be wrong, but I don’t think Jane said she wasn’t from FTL, she said she wasn’t a fairytale character, that she doesn’t have a fairytale counterpart. Which would fit your theory.
I don’t think Tamara is from FTL though.Marian was pregnant whilst Belle was in the beginnings of her Rumple servitude so she definitely had the baby before Snow’s pregnancy so that baby would be born in the EF and probably a toddler or small child when the curse hit. It seems from Rumple’s speech to Snow that “love is a disease” would be post-Belle when he went a little full-throttle and nuts. Adding in that Grumpy was yet Dreamy when Belle met him and all the tick marks on Bell’s prison walls she was there a while before the curse hit all point to Snowing not together yet. But this is all bringing up the dreaded “t” word that must not be mentioned
Belle was living in the Dark Castle during the events in The Evil Queen, when Snow is a bandit before she meets Charming. Rumple comments to Regina during the episode that he already has a maid who is a “promising girl”.
It’s unclear how long Snow lived as a bandit though, so we don’t know exactly how long the events in 2×20 are before she meets Charming and before she goes to get the curse from Rumple when he makes his “love is a disease” speech. But I wouldn’t think more than a few months?
It’s unclear how long Snow lived as a bandit though, so we don’t know exactly how long the events in 2×20 are before she meets Charming and before she goes to get the curse from Rumple when he makes his “love is a disease” speech. But I wouldn’t think more than a few months?
There’s no way to really gauge exactly how much time passes, but I’m thinking that somewhere between the events of The Evil Queen and the events of Snow Falls, there’s gotta still be a story to tell about Snow getting the bad fairy dust. Seems like the incident with discovering Regina’s little village massacre would be good motivation for Snow to acquire a magical weapon to use against her.
We know that Snow lived with someone “in another forest” who taught her how to hunt, so if that someone was RH like many are assuming, Snow was probably hanging out with them not long before RH broke into Rumple’s. But Snow didn’t find out about Rumple until Red told her, so Snow must have left RH before Marian got sick and they got the idea to go to Rumple, but maybe not before Marian was pregnant.
If Snow was around RH and Marian when she was already pregnant, that just makes me hope even more that the baby is Tamara. It’s just fun to think that Snow could have “met” the unborn Tamara, who would one day grow up to almost kill them all and kidnap her grandson.
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