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February 20, 2014 at 9:50 pm #246339theoniongirlParticipant
You know, I always thought there was … something … about Rumple’s last speech before he stabbed Pan. Something about his phrasing and intensity … like he was trying to pass a message or something.
I need to rewatch that. I haven’t had to heart to do so yet.
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-- Dylan ThomasFebruary 20, 2014 at 10:33 pm #246349PheeParticipantLove the puffy shirt thing! 😆 Josh seems like the kinda guy who follows through when he throws down a dare to someone. First MRJ in the hat, and now this. Don’t mess with Josh!
At the end of Once Upon a Time’s midseason finale, why did Emma end up in New York City, Neal’s recent home, rather than Boston, her most recent place of residence outside of Storybrooke? –R.T.
Hook poses that exact question in the March 9 midseason premiere – and Emma does have an explanation.Excellent, I’m glad we’re gonna get that clarified.
You know, I always thought there was … something … about Rumple’s last speech before he stabbed Pan. Something about his phrasing and intensity … like he was trying to pass a message or something.
I need to rewatch that. I haven’t had to heart to do so yet.
Here’s a transcript of the scene…
Pan: Look at you all. A captive audience. I could play with you like a pack of dogs, couldn’t I? I think I’ll start with these two. (Walks over to Belle and Neal) Hmm. You both look so adorable. Hard to tell who to kill first. (Shifts his gaze between both of them) No, it isn’t. (Points to Neal) You. You first.
(From behind, Mr. Gold clamps a hand on Pan’s left shoulder and tugs him away from Belle and Neal.)
Mr. Gold: Stay away from them.
Pan: How about this? The worm has teeth. (In a mocking tone) You’re here to protect their “loved ones”.
Mr. Gold: I’m not gonna let you touch either one of them.
Pan: Oh, I’d like to see that.
Mr. Gold: Oh, you will. Because I have a job to finish, and I have to do whatever it takes. No [inaudible]. And what needs to be done has a price. A price I’m finally willing to pay. (Looks to Neal) I used the curse to find you, Bae, to tell you I made a mistake. To make sure you had a chance at happiness.
(Pan openly laughs at his words.)
Mr. Gold: And that happiness is possible. Just not with me. I accept that.
Pan: Pretty, pretty words.
Mr. Gold: (To Neal) I love you, Bae. (Looks to Belle) And I love you, Belle, you made me stronger.
Pan: Stronger, yes. But still no magic.
Mr. Gold: Oh, but I don’t need it. You see, you may have lost your shadow, but there’s one thing you’re forgetting.
Pan: And what’s that?
Mr. Gold: (Triumphantly) So have I. I sent it away with something to hide. (He raises his hand into the air; summoning his shadow back with the dagger. As Mr. Gold takes hold of the dagger, the shadow goes back into him. Then, he forcibly holds Pan against himself.)
Pan: (Struggling to get free) What are you doing?!
Mr. Gold: You see, the only way for you to die, is if we both die. And now… now, I am ready. (He stabs Pan in the back with the blade, but also impales himself with it in the process. Pan screams in pain while Mr. Gold remains silent.)
(A cloud of black smoke covers Pan, who disappears. As the smoke dissipates, Malcolm appears in his place.)
Mr. Gold: Hello, Papa.
Malcolm: Rumple, please. You can stop this. Remove the dagger. We can start over. (Smiles) We can have a happy ending.
Mr. Gold: Oh, but I’m a villain. And villains don’t get happy endings. (He twists the dagger to embed deeper into both their wounds. Malcolm gasps in agony. A golden light peeks out from the blade and begins to shine even brighter. As Malcolm stops resisting the inevitable, Mr. Gold places a kiss on his cheek. The light engulfs them as they both disappear out of existence.)
(The remaining scroll drops to the floor while the freezing spell on the group wears off. All are visibly in shock over the unexpected turn of events. Belle collapses on the ground in a fit of grief.)Maybe it could be his comment about being a villain that contributes to Belle’s realisation? She always believed there was good in him, and then he sacrificed himself, so it’s not like she’d see him as a villain at all. That coupled with how he disappeared would probably give her some serious pause for thought.
Maybe Belle realizes that a person without a shadow can’t be “killed” in the traditional sense. I’m pretty sure that Rumple was still shadow-less when he stabbed himself. If I recall correctly, Rumple’s shadow handed him the dagger, but then flew away.
The shadow flew into him when it gave him back the dagger. Was gonna find the scene so I could re-watch to check, but that transcript I found mentions it happening.
February 21, 2014 at 2:26 am #246358betsypaige24ParticipantYeah, the shadow re-entered Gold as he gave him the dagger….
Maybe it’s the fact that he didn’t scream in pain? If he stabbed himself, which he did, he would have felt something. Maybe Belle thinks that because he didn’t express any pain that his act of sacrifice protected him and that he actually wasn’t killed, but sent somewhere?
February 21, 2014 at 6:27 am #246367LaurenParticipantFebruary 21, 2014 at 8:41 am #246382RumplesGirlKeymasterYeah, the shadow re-entered Gold as he gave him the dagger…. Maybe it’s the fact that he didn’t scream in pain? If he stabbed himself, which he did, he would have felt something. Maybe Belle thinks that because he didn’t express any pain that his act of sacrifice protected him and that he actually wasn’t killed, but sent somewhere?
Maybe she realizes that the golden light was something more than what it seemed.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"February 21, 2014 at 9:02 am #246390Marty McFlyParticipantPan: Look at you all. A captive audience. I could play with you like a pack of dogs, couldn’t I? I think I’ll start with these two. (Walks over to Belle and Neal) Hmm. You both look so adorable. Hard to tell who to kill first. (Shifts his gaze between both of them) No, it isn’t. (Points to Neal) You. You first.
(From behind, Mr. Gold clamps a hand on Pan’s left shoulder and tugs him away from Belle and Neal.)
Mr. Gold: Stay away from them.Like a pack of DOLLS, not dogs, dolls
February 21, 2014 at 9:05 am #246391Marty McFlyParticipantYeah, the shadow re-entered Gold as he gave him the dagger….
Maybe it’s the fact that he didn’t scream in pain? If he stabbed himself, which he did, he would have felt something. Maybe Belle thinks that because he didn’t express any pain that his act of sacrifice protected him and that he actually wasn’t killed, but sent somewhere?
well he did show some pain, I think he restrained himself so not to hurt his family who was watching….
February 21, 2014 at 9:09 am #246392Marty McFlyParticipantYou know what would be funny if that Lumiere tells Belle what happened to Gaston
Oh nothing really happened to him. He felt like a rose for a couple of hours, heard how Belle didn’t really love him at all, and probably turned back and set free. he did it for that exact propose. to have Gaston hear WHY Belle sacrificed herself for her people, and how she felt about her “betrothed” it was a clever little move 🙂
February 21, 2014 at 9:16 am #246393Marty McFlyParticipantIF the thing she realized has to do with bringing Gold back, I bet the thing she realized was mostly that there was a huge amount of light. I bet she read that in a book before, that if light emanates from someone’s body it must mean something
but the wording “epic clash with Pan” sounds more like she has realized something not about his death, but about his life…. WHAT has my man been up to? she probably wonders about this, especially since she now knows that Pan was his father AND that pan kept Baelfire in neverland for many years, AND that he kept putting wedges between father and son…? or maybe Pan was the guy who’d TAKE children away from their families, while Gold would try to bring them home? (something to do with that sheep’s skin that would fly and save the children in “Skin Deep”) he did save all the children from the Ogre wars… Maybe THIS is the important exchange that Bae will tell Belle, and she will connect it to something Gold told HER or something Pan did or said and then she will wonder about that EPIC CLASH
February 21, 2014 at 9:25 am #246394CindersParticipantMr. Gold: Oh, you will. Because I have a job to finish, and I have to do whatever it takes. No [inaudible]. And what needs to be done has a price. A price I’m finally willing to pay. (Looks to Neal) I used the curse to find you, Bae, to tell you I made a mistake. To make sure you had a chance at happiness.
The [inaudible] is “No le pause”.
Odd that he used a French term.
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