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You can love someone without them being your true love. Rumpel loved Milha, but the writers made it quite obvious that she wasn’t true love. The same goes for Cora. Cora and Milha are representative of Rumpel’s failed relationships. These two women didn’t truly want Rumpel. They both left him for bigger and better things (Milha left Rumpel for Hook and Cora left Rumpel for Prince Henry). Rumpel desperately wants to be loved, so that opens him up to just about any homewrecker that comes along. 😆 But that doesn’t make it true love. Mr. Gold’s phone call to Belle summed it up perfectly. “You really, really loved me.” He emphasized just how much Belle truly loved him. He pointed out that she was the only woman who loved him unconditionally.
In regards to Mr. Gold needing to know if Cora actually loved him, I just saw that scene as Mr. Gold being curious. It’s been 60 or 70 years since the last time he saw her and he’s wants to know if she actually had feelings for him. It was just the idle curiosity of a dying man. He thought he only had seconds to live, so why not ask? The woman is about to kill him for God’s sake and he clearly doesn’t love her anymore. That was made quite clear by his mission to kill her (on numerous occassions).
[adrotate group="5"]@RumplesGirl wrote:
Would Rumple really have given up the search for Bae? I found that scene so odd and I’ve watched it so many times now. I can’t believe Rumple would give that up. He spent a life time search for Bae, and to give up for a woman that only brings out the darkness in him… I think it’s a total reversal of his character that he would suddenly give up Bae.
I don’t think he did give it up. In the scene where Rumpel and Cora first meet in the tower, he tells her that her daughter is important. He knows that she’s destined to cast the curse. So, even during their brief love affair, he was accutely aware of the curse. He didn’t abandoned his mission to find Bae. Not at all.
@RumplesGirl wrote:
Would Rumple really have given up the search for Bae? I found that scene so odd and I’ve watched it so many times now. I can’t believe Rumple would give that up. He spent a life time search for Bae, and to give up for a woman that only brings out the darkness in him… I think it’s a total reversal of his character that he would suddenly give up Bae.
That is what is so jarring. In that moment, he was willing to forego the chance for Regina to be born, which would only happen if Cora and Henry married and conceived her. Without the birth of Regina, there never would have been a contention with Snow White, and so Regina never would have enacted the dark curse. Unless there was some other desperate soul out there for Rumple to manipulate into casting the dark curse for him, Rumple was willingly laying aside the dream of ever finding his son for the chance of starting over with a new family. It is seemingly so out of character for Rumplestiltskin, because what motivated him for centuries before Cora was finding the son with whom Rumple broke his deal, having sworn to love no one else until he did so.
When Cora came along, it was a jolt to his entire system, and his prior way of thinking, because he let Cora in and it almost blindsided him that someone could love him, the unloveable monster who drove away his wife and child. He let down his guard, because his lonely isolation made his vulnerable enough to believe he could have a fresh start with a woman who loved him and would give him a child of his own. It was blip on the radar, and in that moment, be believed he could have a second chance to do it right this time. However, that belief was very short-lived, because he soon realized the harsh truth that Cora chose power over love. So, 30 years later when Belle truly fell in love for him, Rumple was guarded, and though he and Belle really loved one another, he mistrusted her and rejected her pleas for him to believe in their love. He did what Cora had done to him all those years before; he chose power over love, because he was all the more resolved that nothing, absolutely nothing, would stand in the way of his vow to find Baelfire again.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
@RumplesGirl wrote:
Would Rumple really have given up the search for Bae? I found that scene so odd and I’ve watched it so many times now. I can’t believe Rumple would give that up. He spent a life time search for Bae, and to give up for a woman that only brings out the darkness in him… I think it’s a total reversal of his character that he would suddenly give up Bae.
Perhaps he didn’t see this new path as diverging from that goal? He had a prophecy from the Seer about a curse that someone else would cast and the boy who’d lead him to his son, etc. He’s obviously also seen enough of the future himself to be able to chuckle about the irony of Cora using the term “snow white”. So I guess if he figures that one way or the other, that prophecy about him finding his son is gonna come true, it doesn’t matter if he shacks up with Cora in the meantime. Actually, it’d make things a bit easier for him, if he’s already got the one destined to cast his curse living with him as his child. Made a whole lot more work for him having to go out and recruit Regina like he did.
@Midnight Dreary wrote:
@RumplesGirl wrote:
Would Rumple really have given up the search for Bae? I found that scene so odd and I’ve watched it so many times now. I can’t believe Rumple would give that up. He spent a life time search for Bae, and to give up for a woman that only brings out the darkness in him… I think it’s a total reversal of his character that he would suddenly give up Bae.
I don’t think he did give it up. In the scene where Rumpel and Cora first meet in the tower, he tells her that her daughter is important. He knows that she’s destined to cast the curse. So, even during their brief love affair, he was accutely aware of the curse. He didn’t abandoned his mission to find Bae. Not at all.
The he worded it made me think that he would have had Cora help him find Bae. He didn’t say his first born of THEM, but just his first born. I really doubt he’d give up Bae.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I can concede that Rumple may may have loved Cora, but it was a very dangerous dark love that I think was fueled more out of his lust for someone who thought exactly the way he did. He only became enamored of her when she was talking about all the bad things she’d like to do to those who wronged her. He found that attractive, that’s what excited him.
But I still think Cora had no idea what love was, she only had a very wrong conception of it and it was only when she had her heart back and saw her daughter for, really, the first time that she suddenly understood what love was. Had Cora waited until after Regina had been born to take her heart, I think we’d have a very different story because she’d realize what love truly was. What she felt for Rumple was desire for power, which she misunderstood as love and used it to manipulate him."He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"@SpinningGold wrote:
BTW that was the second time he asked someone if they really loved him, just before they died (basically at his hand).
Oh man, good point.
So, 30 years later when Belle truly fell in love for him, Rumple was guarded, and though he and Belle really loved one another, he mistrusted her and rejected her pleas for him to believe in their love. He did what Cora had done to him all those years before; he chose power over love, because he was all the more resolved that nothing, absolutely nothing, would stand in the way of his vow to find Baelfire again.
Wow. I’m glad we have this insight into the Rumbelle relationship now, because of this history with Cora!
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@RumplesGirl wrote:
She only brought up love so he’d change the contract so she wouldn’t owe him anything because Cora refuses to owe people things.
This. Not long before Cora met Rumple, maybe an hour or so at most, she’d said to the King, “You’ve got some nerve disparaging me, you’re selling off your own flesh and blood.” Then Rumple presents her with a contract and she gives him the side eye and says, “My first born child?” She’s not gonna change her opinion on the morality of selling off your own flesh and blood in the space of a couple of hours. I think she was scheming the whole time to find a way to get the power, the adoration, and keep the baby.
Great catch!
@Phee wrote:
@RumplesGirl wrote:
Would Rumple really have given up the search for Bae? I found that scene so odd and I’ve watched it so many times now. I can’t believe Rumple would give that up. He spent a life time search for Bae, and to give up for a woman that only brings out the darkness in him… I think it’s a total reversal of his character that he would suddenly give up Bae.
Perhaps he didn’t see this new path as diverging from that goal? He had a prophecy from the Seer about a curse that someone else would cast and the boy who’d lead him to his son, etc. He’s obviously also seen enough of the future himself to be able to chuckle about the irony of Cora using the term “snow white”. So I guess if he figures that one way or the other, that prophecy about him finding his son is gonna come true, it doesn’t matter if he shacks up with Cora in the meantime. Actually, it’d make things a bit easier for him, if he’s already got the one destined to cast his curse living with him as his child. Made a whole lot more work for him having to go out and recruit Regina like he did.
Rumple had foreseen that Cora’s marriage to Prince Henry would result in Regina’s birth. Rumple and Cora’s child would not have been Regina. Without Regina, there wouldn’t have been the contention with Snow and the dark curse wouldn’t have been cast unless Rumple found some other desperate soul to do his bidding. I doubt Rumple would have tricked any child of his own into doing his dirty work for him. Rumple would have to mold some other “random first-born child” rather than his own child.
@RumplesGirl wrote:
@Midnight Dreary wrote:
@RumplesGirl wrote:
Would Rumple really have given up the search for Bae? I found that scene so odd and I’ve watched it so many times now. I can’t believe Rumple would give that up. He spent a life time search for Bae, and to give up for a woman that only brings out the darkness in him… I think it’s a total reversal of his character that he would suddenly give up Bae.
I don’t think he did give it up. In the scene where Rumpel and Cora first meet in the tower, he tells her that her daughter is important. He knows that she’s destined to cast the curse. So, even during their brief love affair, he was accutely aware of the curse. He didn’t abandoned his mission to find Bae. Not at all.
The he worded it made me think that he would have had Cora help him find Bae. He didn’t say his first born of THEM, but just his first born. I really doubt he’d give up Bae.
I don’t think so. Rumple worded the deal with Cora so that she would give birth to his child, because he so desperately wanted a family of his own. I think in that moment, he really was willing to forego the chance of finding Baelfire to have a fresh start with his and Cora’s child. He let Cora in, and he temporarily lapsed in his vow never to love anyone until he found Baelfire. By loving someone else, he was effectively reneging on his vow to find his son. Even though the seer prophesied that he would find his son, I think this show is about sorting out what can be from what will be. In that moment when Rumple changed his deal with Cora so she would bare him his child, he was envisioning what could have been if he and Cora had children together; history might have turned out differently if Cora had chosen love instead of power.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
I think that Rumple did know that by starting a family with Cora he would be changing the future. Perhaps preventing himself from ever finding Bae some other way than the way he cancelled out. But I don’t think he was giving up. He would’ve kept trying to find another way. And frankly, there WERE other ways to get from fairy tale land to our world. 1) Bae didn’t go straight to our world with the bean, so he found another way to get from there (neverland) to our world 2) there were other beans in giant land 3) there was at least one enchanted tree that he could’ve learned how to use.
@Riddleraven wrote:
I think that Rumple did know that by starting a family with Cora he would be changing the future. Perhaps preventing himself from ever finding Bae some other way than the way he cancelled out. But I don’t think he was giving up. He would’ve kept trying to find another way. And frankly, there WERE other ways to get from fairy tale land to our world. 1) Bae didn’t go straight to our world with the bean, so he found another way. 2) there were other beans in giant land 3) there was at least one enchanted tree that he could’ve learned how to use.
Good point. We’ve learned of numerous different ways to get to from one world to another. Rumpel has tried the magic bean, Jefferson’s hat, Dorothy’s ruby slippers (The Doctor) and then he settled on the curse. So, Rumpel wanting to start a family with Cora didn’t mean that he was giving up on his search for Baelfire. There were many different ways for him to reach him.
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