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[RumplesGirl]

And for Rumple, the idea of having a family is incredibly seductive, I think. It’s all he ever wanted pre-dark one, it’s what he wanted when Milah wanted to run off, and I suspect it’s what he hopes for with Belle and Bae now.

Agreed, he was abandoned as a child so family becomes uber important to him.
Which is why I think he was willing to take it wherever he could find it, even in something that wasn’t true. He felt drawn to Cora and when she offered him love and a child, he jumped at it because he thought she really meant it. But to her, it was a power play to get him to change the contract because she had no idea what love really is.

I think even if we get a response from Jane about this questions, I’m going to maintain that Cora never really loved Rumple because she didn’t know what love was.

[RumplesGirl]

*head desk*

Go listen to the official podcast, everyone. Adam and Eddy are killing me and my stance on this topic.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[Myril]

@RumplesGirl wrote:

I think even if we get a response from Jane about this questions, I’m going to maintain that Cora never really loved Rumple because she didn’t know what love was.

Hmmm. So Cora couldn’t love Rumple because she didn’t know what love is – because she never had loved anyone or experienced love until then? Sounds a bit like circular reasoning to me. If true it means Cora ripped her heart out before knowing and experiencing what love is – but then how did she know that she loved when she got her heart back shortly before she died?

Are we born with a knowledge what love is, is it something we learn by the people around us, through experience, or maybe it’s a mix of all, instincts, learning process, experience?

Sorry, I know, I am a pain in the behind 😉 Well, if any of you ever need a debate coach, we can talk about a deal.

And think Jane Espenson did answer it last night already, when looking at her tweets and replies. Besides what was already posted here, she replied as well, that one can love more than one person in very different ways, but that there is something different about his love for Belle. So if you like you can say, Rumple felt love for Cora, but he feels true love only for Belle. I kinda can settle with that for here for the moment, despite that I question if it makes sense to distinguish true love and love at all.

I question the concept of true love because aside other things the phrasing with true makes it always sound like there is an untrue form of love, and furthermore, if you believe in the concept of just one true love possible in life, it means any other romantic relationship not matter how caring, loving it was is in the end less true, maybe even untrue, fake – won’t accept that idea. There is love or there is no love. I believe every love is different, individual, unique, it’s never the same. And it can feel very true and be true for the moment, but that doesn’t mean that I still see and feel it that way later. And I say love can change during a relationship, it can lessen as it can grow. It can be true and turn into a lie, it can be a lie at first and turn out to be the real thing. Love is a process nothing fixed. And who am I to judge if someone’s feeling to somebody at a certain point are or were true or untrue love?

I don’t know if Rumple or Cora felt deep love for each other, but the way they acted with each other looked to me like there was something more going on for a moment than just attraction and lust. Whatever it started out as and whatever it ended up as, I think there was for a second a chance, a chance both missed.

Sometimes love isn’t enough.

After hearing the podcast with Adam and Eddy (I was just done writing this when it came up): Sorry to RumplesGirl and some others. Feel with you despite that what they say comes close to what I am thinking. Seriously. It is not easy to wrap one’s mind around views others have.

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[RumplesGirl]

I’m accepting defeat. They loved each other.

BUT….Belle’s love is the one he needs. Cora and he only feed each other darkness and Belle makes him human. If Belle made him want to go back to the best version of himself, Cora made him want to be the worst version.

I have no idea why I’ve been fighting this. I accept that Rumple has loved others (Milah) and that Belle is ok with it because in the end their love is the one that matters. And I’m sure my views are coming across as slightly naive and very “RUMBELLE OR NOTHING!!” Well, Cora, thank you for not loving him enough and loving power too much. You did something right, at least.

I need a cookie.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[wewerecursed]

The way I see it is, in their world there’s love and then there’s TRUE love, and they’re two different things. I don’t think everyone gets to experience true love, and that it’s rare. Rumple and Cora could have loved one another, but just not been in “true” love. I think in the case of romantic love, there is only one true love for everybody. Milah and Cora weren’t Rumple’s true loves, only Belle is, so only Belle is capable of breaking his curse. I love how in the show though they explore the fact that familial love can break curses as well.

[MysteryKat25]

*hands RumplesGirl a cookie*

You get high praise for being able to listen to the podcast and take their word for it (even when they’re specific you won’t believe the tweet rants they get about why they’re WRONG about their own characters). We have to just trust them and go with it wherever it may lead.

In a way it’s actually almost better…it explains why he was so against believing Belle and it shows just how bad one thing was vs how good he is with Belle. At the end of the day as a RumBeller it’s clear that they’re right for each other and any romance that happened in the past is just that for them…the past. For Rumple there is clearly no other and that is a beautiful thing.

Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.

[Ziera]

I know there was a debate here…but I just want to add things. Give me grace as I didn’t finish reading what you guys have said! 😕 😉 🙂

I would just like to say that I do think Cora started to feel for Rumple, and she wanted power more. So in order to destroy her distraction, she ripped out her heart. I think Rumple was just playing her, but did lust after her as she was beautiful. And he thought maybe he could have this extra pleasure while playing her for her child who would be key in getting his son back.

I’m sorry…I just thought this topic was interesting and wanted to just say something quickly. 😯 😉

*SWANFIRE* keeper of Neal's dream catcher

[germanpearl]

I think Cora has loved Rumple. But like Rumple in “Skin Deep”, for Cora was power more important than love. Despite everything, she has given literally her heart to Rumple. And that is for me a proof of love.
Love is versatile. Rumple and Cora loved eachother even if it wasn’t true love. And Rumple was so hurt as she left him. Otherwise he would not assume that no one could ever love him. So, Milah was not the only person, who gave him this feeling…and maybe other women too.

"Love is a mystery to be uncovered." - Belle

Keeper of: Belle's Love for Rumple,her Hair and her Eyes,Rumple's Eyes,his Call to Belle and his Dreamcatcher,Snow's Heart, Emma's enjoying Magic,Regina's Castle

[Josephine]

The ancient greeks has many classifications of love. So much more interesting than the plain old “love” in the English language. So I do think in their own way that Rumple and Cora did love each other. It wasn’t necessarily healthy or moonlight and roses, but it was real.

I hate to quote HP, but J. K. Rowlings is a genius. Reading over the thread, the following quote of Dumbledore to Harry popped into my head:

It is our choices, Harry, that show what we truly are, far more than our abilities.

In this instance, Cora and Rumple did have a type of love, but Cora’s choices showed what she truly was rather than what she was capable of. Did they have the potential of having true love? Maybe. But their choices on both sides decided that their love wasn’t to be.

On the other hand when contrasted with Rumbelle, Rumple chose to release Belle from her indentured servitude for her own good. In return, Belle chose to return because she wanted Rumple to be the best version of himself that he could be. They both made choices based wanting something good for the other person and not necessarily selfish reasons. That is why True Love’s Kiss worked in their case. Same thing with Snowing. They showed repeatedly that the other’s happiness meant more than their own, but when it was time to fight for each other they didn’t back down. They went after it full force.

Keeper of Rumplestiltskin's and Neal's spears and war paint and crystal ball.

[MysteryKat25]

Jo – being a total HP geek I love that quote! (Ginny tweeted it last night as well, it fits perfectly!) Which reminds me…

Did anybody get a HP / Dumbledore vibe during Queen Eva’s death scene? It felt very much like all of the only truely gone when nobody here is loyal to me; those you love are never gone if they’re in your heart etc (the exact quotes are escaping me at the moment but it was definitely what I thought of in that moment – clearly it is time for my yearly HP reread if I get any time to actually do it!)

Looking forward to (hopefully) learning what turned Eva around into this sweet person who wanted Snow to do the right thing and made peace with her death knowing that Snow wouldn’t have to live with having done something awful…at least for awhile :S

Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.

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