Twoo Wuv?

[killianhookfan]

Did Cora and Rumple love each other? Yes – but only as far as they were capable of understanding love within the context of the relationship they had created with each other.

I am a serious Rumple lover but this episode was a bit much on dark and creepy scale for me and I normally love it when Rumple is in all his leather glory. But I think that was the point. I think this episode was meant to make us feel uncomfortable and say “Something isn’t right here.”

Their entire relationship was based upon NOTHING but revenge and furthering their own agendas. It started out as a business relationship that turned into a teacher/student relationship based upon darkness, hate, and evil. They were attracted to the darkness they recognized in one another and that became the sole basis of the lust/love relationship they shared. Rumple was a secluded outcast who was feared because of his power and Cora found him desirable because she wanted that kind of power. Rumple found Cora desirable because she was the first person who challenged him – but in a dark way, to teach her to be like him. He felt like he would no longer have to be alone. Sound familiar? Belle did something very similar, but in a very different way. She challenged him too and he no longer felt alone, but she (literally) brought light into his palace, whereas Cora joined him in his darkness.

With that said I think that Rumple was truly hurt and actually horrified that Cora had ripped her own heart out. I think he recognized that he didn’t love her the way he loved Mila, but he had to have felt some kind of pay back for ripping out Mila’s heart. He ripped out the heart of the woman he loved because she chose another man over him and now another woman chose to rip her own heart out in order to chose power over loving him – and HE was the one who taught her to do it!!

I think, then, the point of the phone call with Belle wasn’t to give us Rumbelle shippers a warm toasty moment before Gold died but to make a very clear point. Gold said that Belle is the only person who made him ever want to go back to being a better version of himself. Since we all know his history that has to mean that she is the only person who has ever made him want to give up being the Dark One. In other words, he may have loved Cora but not in a way that made him want to be a better man. In fact, he had fun being evil with her. He also told Belle that she is a person who always sees the good in people and if it isn’t there, she creates it. I took this to mean that he was acknowledging what she had always tried to get him to believe, that there was still good in him (what he has had difficulty believing) but that also she has MADE him be a better man. And since he told her that she “really, really loved” him – I think he was saying that she has made him a better man and has made him WANT to be a better man simply because he is completely confident that she loves him – and he was completely confident that she loved him when she knew exactly who he was (when he said she loved an “ugly man” I don’t think he was talking about his physical appearance). He was completely confident that Belle loved him as Rumplestiltskin, yet Cora ripped her own heart out and he still didn’t know if she ever really loved him. That’s the difference between true love and the “love” that Rumple and Cora had. You don’t ever have to question true love. True love doesn’t have it’s own agenda.

[Ziera]

@rumplegoldfan wrote:

Did Cora and Rumple love each other? Yes – but only as far as they were capable of understanding love within the context of the relationship they had created with each other.

I am a serious Rumple lover but this episode was a bit much on dark and creepy scale for me and I normally love it when Rumple is in all his leather glory. But I think that was the point. I think this episode was meant to make us feel uncomfortable and say “Something isn’t right here.”

Their entire relationship was based upon NOTHING but revenge and furthering their own agendas. It started out as a business relationship that turned into a teacher/student relationship based upon darkness, hate, and evil. They were attracted to the darkness they recognized in one another and that became the sole basis of the lust/love relationship they shared. Rumple was a secluded outcast who was feared because of his power and Cora found him desirable because she wanted that kind of power. Rumple found Cora desirable because she was the first person who challenged him – but in a dark way, to teach her to be like him. He felt like he would no longer have to be alone. Sound familiar? Belle did something very similar, but in a very different way. She challenged him too and he no longer felt alone, but she (literally) brought light into his palace, whereas Cora joined him in his darkness.

With that said I think that Rumple was truly hurt and actually horrified that Cora had ripped her own heart out. I think he recognized that he didn’t love her the way he loved Mila, but he had to have felt some kind of pay back for ripping out Mila’s heart. He ripped out the heart of the woman he loved because she chose another man over him and now another woman chose to rip her own heart out in order to chose power over loving him – and HE was the one who taught her to do it!!

I think, then, the point of the phone call with Belle wasn’t to give us Rumbelle shippers a warm toasty moment before Gold died but to make a very clear point. Gold said that Belle is the only person who made him ever want to go back to being a better version of himself. Since we all know his history that has to mean that she is the only person who has ever made him want to give up being the Dark One. In other words, he may have loved Cora but not in a way that made him want to be a better man. In fact, he had fun being evil with her. He also told Belle that she is a person who always sees the good in people and if it isn’t there, she creates it. I took this to mean that he was acknowledging what she had always tried to get him to believe, that there was still good in him (what he has had difficulty believing) but that also she has MADE him be a better man. And since he told her that she “really, really loved” him – I think he was saying that she has made him a better man and has made him WANT to be a better man simply because he is completely confident that she loves him – and he was completely confident that she loved him when she knew exactly who he was (when he said she loved an “ugly man” I don’t think he was talking about his physical appearance). He was completely confident that Belle loved him as Rumplestiltskin, yet Cora ripped her own heart out and he still didn’t know if she ever really loved him. That’s the difference between true love and the “love” that Rumple and Cora had. You don’t ever have to question true love. True love doesn’t have it’s own agenda.

Interesting…. I think Cora and Rumple did love each other, but in a way that was “What can you give me?” You’re right- they were furthering their own agendas and thinking selfishly. This wasn’t true love…as when Cora figured she may actually love this man, she ripped her own heart out to choose power. I mean, when you would ask….How far would you go to get what you want? Thats how far she went-to rip out her own heart. And Rumple (you’re right again) taught her that. Also, (this is from the official podcast), They said that she had lots of ambition and potential to be someone great, she just was born into the wrong family and wasn’t given the chance to prove it.
She needed that acceptance because people overlooked her- and her identity was in recognition. She felt underestimated, and needed to prove them all wrong and put them in their places. That in the end was more important to her than Rumple.

On the other hand- Belle and Rumple of course, love each other…but with TRUE love. Now this instead of ‘What can I take’ was ‘What can I give?’ This relationship is other-centered. Thats why it is different, and thats why it is true. Rumple loves Belle so much that it becomes about how he can serve her and love her and build her up and give to her(even when he is DYING 🙂 ). That is whats beautiful. Belle taught this love to Rumple in a way in ‘Skin Deep’… Like you said, she brought the light literally to his life.

Cora didn’t make Rumple want to be better…she just created darkness. Another thing they said in the official podcast was that they truly understood each other…they were a lot a like, almost completely the same.

Anyways… yeah 😉

*SWANFIRE* keeper of Neal's dream catcher

[kfchimera]

I mentioned this in another thread, when I read a spoiler about this episode. The Spoiler was a magazine article that hinted we would see a “Bad Romance”. That put me in mind of the Lady GaGa song by the same name, which fits how I see Cora & Rumple.

The refrain goes:
“I want your love, and I want your revenge
You and me could write a bad romance
I want your love, and all your love is revenge
You and me could write a bad romance”
They understood each other, they were drawn to each other, but ultimately they were not good for each other. I think there was meant to be a disturbing vibe to their relationship. Belle falls for the man hidden beneath the Beast, but Cora loved that dark side of him.

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

[PriceofMagic]

I don’t think Rumple and Cora were in love with each other but were in lust with each other. When Cora said she wasn’t going with Rumple, Rumple seemed angry rather than heartbroken. When Regina told him Belle killed herself, Rumple was really struggling to hold himself together until Regina had left. When Cora told him she was going to stay and marry Henry rather than leave with Rumple, Rumple immediately threatened to take Cora’s baby until Cora reminded him he’d changed the contract.

Cora may have been the first person Rumple had feelings for in a long time but they don’t compare to his feelings for Belle.

Cora’s feeling for Rumple may be based on the fact that he basically saved her life. She appreciates him for it.

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[Ziera]

@PriceofMagic wrote:

I don’t think Rumple and Cora were in love with each other but were in lust with each other. When Cora said she wasn’t going with Rumple, Rumple seemed angry rather than heartbroken. When Regina told him Belle killed herself, Rumple was really struggling to hold himself together until Regina had left. When Cora told him she was going to stay and marry Henry rather than leave with Rumple, Rumple immediately threatened to take Cora’s baby until Cora reminded him he’d changed the contract.

Cora may have been the first person Rumple had feelings for in a long time but they don’t compare to his feelings for Belle.

Cora’s feeling for Rumple may be based on the fact that he basically saved her life. She appreciates him for it.

Normally, I would agree with you and I still really want to…and I do about some things, but in the official podcast, they said they did love each other (not just lust after one another.) I still don’t want to believe it- and I wrote my explanation above ^ but yeah 😛

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