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I let the writers play fast and loose with the ‘rules’ since it’s a fantasy
Fantasy stories are the ones that need rules the most. With a world that’s completely imagined by a writer, it’s necessary for rules to be established and adhered to if they want their imagined world to be believable and understood by the viewer/reader. “Fantasy” doesn’t translate to “anything goes”, in fact it’s quite the opposite.
[adrotate group="5"]During season 2 it was mentioned by David a few times how once they all got back to EF, they were going to rebuild the kingdom and restoring his (King George’s) palace. Besides the mention in 3×13 about the condition of the castle and deciding to go to Regina’s was there any more mentions of rebuilding the palace or were they all just content to live with Regina? I would have like to see a bit more of what they all did during the missing year besides worrying about Zelena.
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During season 2 it was mentioned by David a few times how once they all got back to EF, they were going to rebuild the kingdom and restoring his (King George’s) palace. Besides the mention in 3×13 about the condition of the castle and deciding to go to Regina’s was there any more mentions of rebuilding the palace or were they all just content to live with Regina? I would have like to see a bit more of what they all did during the missing year besides worrying about Zelena.
It seems as though they were all very content living with Regina in the Summer Palace.
And I agree–I wish we saw more of the missing year and what they were all doing.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Regarding the hearts, perhaps there are micro-portals linking the aorta/ventricles/other parts of the extracted heart with the blood vessels in the owner’s body.
If so, no wonder Daniel and brother Frankenstein had problems. O .o
Regarding the Curse, we already know it was somewhat adapted from the last time. This version wasn’t intended to have a forgetfulness component. Possibly Regina adjusted the scale to intentionally disrupt a smaller area? Since it was primarily Snow’s baby they were trying to protect by reaching Emma, they might have decided to rip apart the lives of a slightly smaller number of peasants.
Regarding Agrabah, Prince Eric told Ariel he was traveling there, so unless he had a Pegasus sail, it’s part of the same world as EF. Not just something we learned on Twitter.
On another note, I can think of one character off the bat who would be potentially summonable by Hook, have had hundreds of years to hoard beans no one else could get to, lives in the ocean, and would probably be immune to the curse no matter where she was anyway: Ursula
No idea why she’d want the ship, but hey, it’s a thought. Maybe she heard the cry of a “poor unfortunate soul” and figured it was the sacrifice that counted.
, I can think of one character off the bat who would be potentially summonable by Hook, have had hundreds of years to hoard beans no one else could get to, lives in the ocean, and would probably be immune to the curse no matter where she was anyway: Ursula No idea why she’d want the ship, but hey, it’s a thought. Maybe she heard the cry of a “poor unfortunate soul” and figured it was the sacrifice that counted
YES.YES. THIS!!!!!! THIS MAKES SENSE!!! THIS COULD HAPPEN!!! IT COULD EXPLAIN STUFF!!!!!! SO MUCH STUFF!!!! HECK IT COULD HAVR BEEN NYX HE MET!!! THIS. SO MUCH OF THIS!!!!! EVERYTHING IS THIS!!!!
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To me the Enchanted Forest is only one realm within FairyTale Land. Other realms within FTL would include and not limited to: Sherwood, Agrabah, Camelot, Hangman’s Island etc. So these are accessible to the EF folk without the need of a portal. Sherwood seems to border the EF quite closely.
I assume the Enchanted Forest is quite a big realm (the largest) and within it there are many kingdoms/principalities. George’s, Midas’s, Philora’s, etc..
Outside FTL there are the other lands – Neverland, Wonderland, Land without Colour, Land without Magic, Oz, etc which a portal is required to get to.So if the curse *only* effected the Enchanted Forest, people in the other realms within FTL weren’t taken (there’s a hole in this and I’ll get to it). So for Hook to outrun the curse, he sailed his ship beyond the borders of what is designated “Enchanted Forest” into another realm – into ‘international waters’ as it were. (I’m going to assume he went to Agrabah to get a bean, it seems like a good place for trade). And if the curse only effects the EF, that would explain why no-one from Agrabah, Camelot, Sherwood etc got taken – aside from the Sheriff of Nottingham who I assume was in the EF when the curse stuck. This can explain how Rapunzel wasn’t taken from the Tower as she was within the boundaries of Sherwood.
The only problem with this theory is that is doesn’t explain Dr Whale. How was he the only one taken by the curse from a different Land? No-one else he knew from his world came to SB (that I know of) Did Regina bring him or was he in the EF again for some reason?So with the curse being so specifically written by Rumpelstiltskin (the saviour, the 28 years, etc) I also assume that he wrote in (or it was a price of the magic) that any realm or land that borders the Enchanted Forest (or at least a land/realm governed by magic) will also be affected, but instead of being ripped from their land, time stopped. Neverland doesn’t count in this as there is no time in NL to stop. So NL was still chugging away while the rest of the magical lands were frozen. Which can explain the Darling brothers trying to adopt Henry during the time SB is in its Groundhog Day phase and how Bae could have escaped NL and be the proper age now. Cos if he was 14 in NL he didn’t escape from Neverland 28 years ago, since he met Emma when he was 25(?) which is only 10 years where Emma was born 16/17 years ago. (Anyway I digress)
So while in the EF Cora needed to create her dome to shield her and Hook and this extended to at least cover Philora’s kingdom. I assume Sherwood wasn’t involved in the dome since Robin Hood wasn’t with Philora and the survivors. He and his Merry Men were living it up at the Dark One’s place. (Hence why I believe Sherwood was exempt from the curse) Now since it was the first time the Dark Curse was cast, I am assuming that no-one knew the full extent of what would happen, hence Hook and Cora not outrunning the first curse with the Jolly Roger – they didn’t know if they could, but Cora wanted to be sure that they would survive the 28 years. But with the second time Dark Curse casting the extent of the curse’s boundaries were known and Hook knew he could outrun it.
Also there were no other pirates from FTL that ended up in SB, that shows that there were some places within FTL that the curse didn’t reach. If they weren’t in the EF, they were travelling to other realms, or out in the sea where the curse didn’t reach. They couldn’t have *all* been under the Coradome.
Onto the heart – my theory is that the ‘heart’ that is ripped out of the chest is a representation of what a human heart is. The source of love and lifeforce, which if we know our biology we know that all that stuff actually comes from the brain. When it come down to it, the heart is just a muscle that pumps blood around our body, we attribute feelings to it because it’s more romantic. When Graham tells Emma he believes he doesn’t have his heart, Emma can still feel his heartbeat in his chest. So he obviously still has something that is keeping him alive. So I believe when a ‘heart’ is ripped out, they’re not ripping out the actual heart, but what we believe the heart represents. So crushing the heart destroys the love and hope and life of the heart and without those we cannot live (hence people dying). So when Snow splits her heart with David, it’s her love she is splitting to help David’s actual heart to keep living.
I am sure there is lots of stuff I’ve missed out but this is how my brain deals with all the confusion. 🙂
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To me the Enchanted Forest is only one realm within FairyTale Land
I always understood the Enchanted Forest to be the fairytale land…. I thought the terms Fairytale Land and Enchanted Forest were synonymous…. But am I wrong? O.o is the enchanted forest just one place inside the Fairytale World? And the curse only effected that one place? Again, that would mean alot of stuff would have to be retconned. Snow and Charming could have literally fled to Agrabah to escape Regina’s curse if that is the case.
I’m going to assume he went to Agrabah to get a bean, it seems like a good place for trade). And if the curse only effects the EF, that would explain why no-one from Agrabah, Camelot, Sherwood etc got taken – aside from the Sheriff of Nottingham who I assume was in the EF when the curse stuck. This can explain how Rapunzel wasn’t taken from the Tower as she was within the boundaries of Sherwood. The only problem with this theory is that is doesn’t explain Dr Whale. How was he the only one taken by the curse from a different Land? No-one else he knew from his world came to SB (that I know of) Did Regina bring him or was he in the EF again for some reason?
1.) But if Agrabah is I’m the EF, there shouldn’t be beans there. Regina said there was a wall placed between the two worlds, and no portals would be in the EF for them to get back to Our Land (including beans) 2.) We don’t know if anyone from Agrabah was taken or not. But seeing as we were SUPPOSED to see Aladdin in the second season (right?) I assume they were. 3.) Was Rapunzel not taken? I assumed she was in the tower when the curse was enacted, got taken to SB, and then when Regina brought everyone back, Rapunzel got dumped back where she was: In the tower. I could be wrong though. And 4.) Regina said her curse brought who she wanted. It reached into other lands and pulled out whomever she wanted and thats how she got Whale into SB as well as Jefferson who was in Wonderland at the time (according to OUATinWL).
Also there were no other pirates from FTL that ended up in SB, that shows that there were some places within FTL that the curse didn’t reach
Well if there were other pirates, we wouldn’t know. They wouldn’t look all pirate-ish. They’d be normal average SB people. Personally, I always assumed most of the fishermen and sailors in SB (like the one Cora turned into a fish) were pirates.
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Keeper Of Tamara's Taser , Jafar's Staff, Kitsis’s Glasses , Ariel’s Tail, Dopey's Hat , Peter Pan’s Shadow, Outfit, & Pied Cloak,Red Queen's Castle, White Rabbit's Power To World Hop, Zelena's BroomStick, & ALL MAGICI always understood the Enchanted Forest to be the fairytale land…. I thought the terms Fairytale Land and Enchanted Forest were synonymous…. But am I wrong? O.o is the enchanted forest just one place inside the Fairytale World? And the curse only effected that one place? Again, that would mean alot of stuff would have to be retconned. Snow and Charming could have literally fled to Agrabah to escape Regina’s curse if that is the case.
That’s how I imagine it. As I said, I could be wrong. But I assumed when Eric (and Hook) say that they were going to sail the realms, they’re still within FairyTale Land and the EF is just one realm within that.
Again, I assumed (and I am making a lot of assumptions here) that Snow and Charming didn’t know how far the first curse would go (and to me it seems Agrabah is a very long way away) They wouldn’t know to flee to another realm, b/c they thought it would affect *everywhere*, when in fact it obviously didn’t. Zelena said Eric and Ariel were outside the curse’s reach for Dark Curse Mk II, so who’s to say there weren’t areas (apart from Coradome) that the curse didn’t get to the first time.1.) But if Agrabah is I’m the EF, there shouldn’t be beans there. Regina said there was a wall placed between the two worlds, and no portals would be in the EF for them to get back to Our Land (including beans) 2.) We don’t know if anyone from Agrabah was taken or not. But seeing as we were SUPPOSED to see Aladdin in the second season (right?) I assume they were. 3.) Was Rapunzel not taken? I assumed she was in the tower when the curse was enacted, got taken to SB, and then when Regina brought everyone back, Rapunzel got dumped back where she was: In the tower. I could be wrong though. And 4.) Regina said her curse brought who she wanted. It reached into other lands and pulled out whomever she wanted and thats how she got Whale into SB as well as Jefferson who was in Wonderland at the time (according to OUATinWL)
After the curse struck the “walls were down” and magically there were beans? I don’t get that either. There’s either beans or not, but I guess there were none left in the EF (and I’m still reading EF as only part of FTL and the only part affected by the curse)
True, there are a lot of characters that could have been taken to SB and we just didn’t hear about their story, but then that doesn’t fit with my theory 😉 and I’m not sure about the Aladdin thing, I didn’t realise he was supposed to be in S2.Well if there were other pirates, we wouldn’t know. They wouldn’t look all pirate-ish. They’d be normal average SB people. Personally, I always assumed most of the fishermen and sailors in SB (like the one Cora turned into a fish) were pirates.
Good point. I just assumed that once the curse broke in S2 all the bad guys/pirates would go back to being bad guys/pirating and Hook may have used that to his advantage in S2. And I got the impression b/c Blackbeard managed to get to the Jolly Roger before Hook that BB wasn’t taken by the curse (I’m not sure why I assumed that)
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What if the EF is like a continent/island, separated from the likes of Agrabah by ocean? So Regina’s curse would’ve covered the EF but not the entire world. So Hook could sail out of range, Ariel and Eric would be out of range. etc.
The partial map in Skin Deep showed there was an ocean, and the safe haven was by the coast.
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