Understanding August

[Ziera]

I know that most everyone is mad at August.
And there are things im mad at him about too- but I can kind of relate to him.
I mean, we will see more about his life in an upcoming episode (I’ve heard), but I just thought about this.

When you realize how bad of a thing you did, in this case August wasn’t there for Emma when he should have been, and other things, you generally try to make up for it/ do a bunch of things to make it right. Maybe even go out of your way to make it seem better.
Thats kind of how I view August’s actions in this episode. He maybe went a little out of his way to ‘protect’ emma by sending neal away, but he did it to compensate almost for his not being there. He was doing all these things to get back in control of what he messed up, kind of to say to himself, ‘okay, its all better now.’ so he could overlook his bad choices in the past. I do this too…not in this kind of scale, haha, but I do.

So I can give him a little grace in the whole ‘Neal’ matter, even if what he did maybe wasn’t the best thing. But I am angry at him for taking the money, that I’m not going to back him up for. 😉
Thoughts?

[Killian Jones]

@Ziera117 wrote:

I know that most everyone is mad at August.
And there are things im mad at him about too- but I can kind of relate to him.
I mean, we will see more about his life in an upcoming episode (I’ve heard), but I just thought about this.

When you realize how bad of a thing you did, in this case August wasn’t there for Emma when he should have been, and other things, you generally try to make up for it/ do a bunch of things to make it right. Maybe even go out of your way to make it seem better.
Thats kind of how I view August’s actions in this episode. He maybe went a little out of his way to ‘protect’ emma by sending neal away, but he did it to compensate almost for his not being there. He was doing all these things to get back in control of what he messed up, kind of to say to himself, ‘okay, its all better now.’ so he could overlook his bad choices in the past. I do this too…not in this kind of scale, haha, but I do.

So I can give him a little grace in the whole ‘Neal’ matter, even if what he did maybe wasn’t the best thing. But I am angry at him for taking the money, that I’m not going to back him up for. 😉
Thoughts?

There’s a lot of ways to try and justify what August did when it came to Neal but the simple thing to me is that even if you want to say that he did the right thing there he still dumped his responsibilities again. Here’s what I get from August, first when he was in the home with Emma. ” I know my father trusted me to guide Emma but it’ll be ok for me to leave her to grow up alone she’s in an orphanage what’s the worst that can happen?” He comes back now gets rid of Neal, tells him not worry I’m gonna be there for her. Tells himself I screwed up before but I’m back and I can make up for it. Then “wow that’s a lot of money… Ok new plan get Emma’s baby to Storybrooke to hopefully lure her there and hopefully things will work out on their on now off I go to Phuket!” Finally it’s “oh shoot I’m turning back into wood I really messed up but I can make up for it!” It’s a whole lot of justifying bad decisions at the time and trying to make up for them when they come back to bite him.

[schmacky]

I’m not necessarily super upset at August for breaking them up. I think it was a stupid thing to do. I think he was being a little self-righteous in making those choices for Emma and believing that she or Neal couldn’t change their lifestyle. I mean, if Neal now believed, wouldn’t he stop this life of crime (that they were going to do anyway) because Emma is meant for greatness? But anyway, I can almost let it slide that he broke them up… almost.

But the truly horrible thing he did? Set that girl up for jail time and making her believe she was betrayed by the one person she loved. I’ll even give him the benefit of the doubt and say he thought there was absolutely NO other way to get this girl to understand that crime isn’t the way and she needs to live an honest life. But 11 months? And being betrayed? Why? Why was that necessary? He could have set Emma up for some small thing where she served 30 days in jail.. enough to scare her straight. And he could have convinced Neal to just break it off with Emma and leave her alone.

But no.. he had to rip that girl’s heart out and stomp around on it. The shadiest, saddest, most messed up way possible.. that’s what August did.

And then what makes it worse? He promised Neal he’d take care of Emma. He convinced this man to leave her alone and now he can’t take care of her so he promises he’ll do it in his stead. What does he do? Breaks that promise and drifts out of her life yet again.

August served absolutely no purpose in coming back into Emma’s life except to ruin it. He didn’t help Emma along her path, he didn’t ensure the savior would believe. If anything, he made the road to her belief even more difficult. Now she’s going to have crazy trust issues so.. good job August!

[elle]

@Schmacky

I agree. He really and truly crushed Emma. He grew up in a home, he knows how hard life is there for many–granted we do not know how long he spent in the home, though we can guess it was enough time. Long enough for him to know that Emma was have been sad, angered, lonely, and wanting a family of her own. And he ripped that away from her it the harshest way possible–he broke his promise to look after her, took the money, and left Emma once again to be alone and without a friend in the world to show her care and understanding. 🙂

[Ziera]

@Schmacky wrote:

I’m not necessarily super upset at August for breaking them up. I think it was a stupid thing to do. I think he was being a little self-righteous in making those choices for Emma and believing that she or Neal couldn’t change their lifestyle. I mean, if Neal now believed, wouldn’t he stop this life of crime (that they were going to do anyway) because Emma is meant for greatness? But anyway, I can almost let it slide that he broke them up… almost.

But the truly horrible thing he did? Set that girl up for jail time and making her believe she was betrayed by the one person she loved. I’ll even give him the benefit of the doubt and say he thought there was absolutely NO other way to get this girl to understand that crime isn’t the way and she needs to live an honest life. But 11 months? And being betrayed? Why? Why was that necessary? He could have set Emma up for some small thing where she served 30 days in jail.. enough to scare her straight. And he could have convinced Neal to just break it off with Emma and leave her alone.

But no.. he had to rip that girl’s heart out and stomp around on it. The shadiest, saddest, most messed up way possible.. that’s what August did.

And then what makes it worse? He promised Neal he’d take care of Emma. He convinced this man to leave her alone and now he can’t take care of her so he promises he’ll do it in his stead. What does he do? Breaks that promise and drifts out of her life yet again.

August served absolutely no purpose in coming back into Emma’s life except to ruin it. He didn’t help Emma along her path, he didn’t ensure the savior would believe. If anything, he made the road to her belief even more difficult. Now she’s going to have crazy trust issues so.. good job August!

Yeah, I get that. What he did wasn’t right, but it came from a place of regret that he had for his past decisions. He wanted to make it ok again, and he felt he needed to go out of his way to ‘help’ Emma. I don’t think he was thinking about what she would feel. I think that he realized he had messed up pretty bad, and wanted to suddenly come back and do what was right, even if he went too far. In his mind it was ok at the time.
He ultimately just wanted her to be safe. He wasn’t being observant though of her feelings, thats true. He did brake her heart…and I think he is going to realize that more and more in the upcoming episodes, and it might brake him in their confrontation.

*SWANFIRE* keeper of Neal's dream catcher

[schmacky]

He ultimately just wanted her to be safe. He wasn’t being observant though of her feelings, thats true.

This is the only motivation I can see for August to do the crap he did. He said something about her being safe in the system but now she’s out. Since he isn’t actively involved in her life and therefore unable to literally protect her, he’s afraid something bad will happen to her. Like, she’ll die. He wants to keep her holed up and safe. If he could put her in a tower, he probably would. She was safe in the system, she’ll be safe in jail, etc etc… he doesn’t think of her as a person but as some object he needs to keep safe.

I still dislike him. Oh, so very much. He’s pompous and arrogant and self-righteous and selfish.

[Ziera]

@Schmacky wrote:

He ultimately just wanted her to be safe. He wasn’t being observant though of her feelings, thats true.

This is the only motivation I can see for August to do the crap he did. He said something about her being safe in the system but now she’s out. Since he isn’t actively involved in her life and therefore unable to literally protect her, he’s afraid something bad will happen to her. Like, she’ll die. He wants to keep her holed up and safe. If he could put her in a tower, he probably would. She was safe in the system, she’ll be safe in jail, etc etc… he doesn’t think of her as a person but as some object he needs to keep safe.

I still dislike him. Oh, so very much. He’s pompous and arrogant and self-righteous and selfish.

I’m not saying he isnt stupid..but I can sympathize with him a little.

Also- he does have like a huge job on his shoulders. He has to make sure Emma is okay for 28 years, then make sure she goes and believes and brakes the curse…it is a lot.

You have some really good points. 😉

I think that he wouldn’t put her in a tower or do anything like that. I think he realizes that he hasn’t done his job, made a mess of things, etc, and he needs to get back in control, cause the whole EF is counting on him. Thats pretty scary. I would be scared. (especially if I’d messed around for a while.) I would almost rather be cursed than to risk everybody’s lives. He (I thought) was in that moment where you know you need to fix something… fast. You know like, if you are at someone’s house you don’t know, and you push over a wooden lamp. (the person is there) You rush to put it back up again. Its in that moment you can’t breathe, until everything is back the way it was… That rush for control.

hahaha I don’t know if I’m making much sense, but it makes sense in my mind. 🙂

*SWANFIRE* keeper of Neal's dream catcher

[schmacky]

Yeah I get it. It’s some half ass plan to get Emma back on track and he didn’t really put any thought into it because he’s just thinking “oh crap oh crap I messed up” instead of taking a moment and realizing “oh crap, I’m messing up EVEN MORE.”

I don’t just dislike him because of what he did in Portland. But also how he acted when he arrived in SB. Knowing what happened in Portland, he comes into SB so.. full of himself and sure of everything and even demeans Emma in a certain way. I don’t like his attitude knowing he had found her before.

edit: And left her. Again.

[Ziera]

@Schmacky wrote:

Yeah I get it. It’s some half *(please avoid obscenities)* plan to get Emma back on track and he didn’t really put any thought into it because he’s just thinking “oh crap oh crap I messed up” instead of taking a moment and realizing “oh crap, I’m messing up EVEN MORE.”

I don’t just dislike him because of what he did in Portland. But also how he acted when he arrived in SB. Knowing what happened in Portland, he comes into SB so.. full of himself and sure of everything and even demeans Emma in a certain way. I don’t like his attitude knowing he had found her before.

edit: And left her. Again.

hahaha no, EF meaning Enchanted Forest. 😉

*SWANFIRE* keeper of Neal's dream catcher

[Ziera]

@Schmacky wrote:

Yeah I get it. It’s some half *(please avoid obscenities)* plan to get Emma back on track and he didn’t really put any thought into it because he’s just thinking “oh crap oh crap I messed up” instead of taking a moment and realizing “oh crap, I’m messing up EVEN MORE.”

I don’t just dislike him because of what he did in Portland. But also how he acted when he arrived in SB. Knowing what happened in Portland, he comes into SB so.. full of himself and sure of everything and even demeans Emma in a certain way. I don’t like his attitude knowing he had found her before.

edit: And left her. Again.

no, yeah, you’re right though.

I guess I just feel sorry for him, cause I don’t think people understand what he is/had going/gone through with everything resting on him to do all this stuff for everyone in the Enchanted Forest….;)
Even though all the things he did were just kind of wrong.
We will continue to see this though. And I heard that there is going to be an episode about his life in the real world? That should be interesting…I wonder if everyone will change their feelings for him once again when they see his side of the story.

😉 When August told Neal to leave Emma…My heart melted when he was like, “Never.”

*SWANFIRE* keeper of Neal's dream catcher

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