Understanding August

[Killian Jones]

@Ziera117 wrote:

@Schmacky wrote:

Yeah I get it. It’s some half *(please avoid obscenities)* plan to get Emma back on track and he didn’t really put any thought into it because he’s just thinking “oh crap oh crap I messed up” instead of taking a moment and realizing “oh crap, I’m messing up EVEN MORE.”

I don’t just dislike him because of what he did in Portland. But also how he acted when he arrived in SB. Knowing what happened in Portland, he comes into SB so.. full of himself and sure of everything and even demeans Emma in a certain way. I don’t like his attitude knowing he had found her before.

edit: And left her. Again.

no, yeah, you’re right though.

I guess I just feel sorry for him, cause I don’t think people understand what he is/had going/gone through with everything resting on him to do all this stuff for everyone in the Enchanted Forest….;)
Even though all the things he did were just kind of wrong.
We will continue to see this though. And I heard that there is going to be an episode about his life in the real world? That should be interesting…I wonder if everyone will change their feelings for him once again when they see his side of the story.

😉 When August told Neal to leave Emma…My heart melted when he was like, “Never.”

At this point I don’t see anything in his past that can redeem him for me. He has a lot to atone for with all he’s done to Emma and her family.

[Phee]

@Ziera117 wrote:

hahaha I don’t know if I’m making much sense, but it makes sense in my mind. 🙂

Makes sense to me too. Get outta my head. 😉 I’ll just say a big DITTO to pretty much everything you’ve posted in this thread.

Also wanna add that I really think that people are giving August far too much credit for his actions in this ep. I believe he was acting under orders from Blue Fairy/Mother Superior, and what happened to Emma is all a part of her grand design. In being Blue’s messenger boy, August felt he was doing his part to try and make up for having ignored his role in her life when they were kids.

Not only is he carrying the burden of his own mistakes, but also the burden of his father’s mistake. Pinocchio didn’t ask for this role, and it’s in his nature to not be well behaved, so he’s struggling, and I think that struggle, and his mistakes, are understandable. Hell, I can even understand why he ran off to Phuket. If I had to deal with the demons he’s carrying around, I’d wanna run away to a tropical paradise full of pleasures too, and if someone put the cash to do it directly into my hands, I’d find it hard to resist. That doesn’t mean that I don’t wanna slap him upside the head for doing exactly that, of course I do, because it was undoubtedly the wrong thing for him to do. But all of us do wrong things…and often you do one wrong thing, and swear you’ll do better next time, then you don’t, and the mistakes keep piling up, and you just wanna run away and forget it all. The stronger people will stand and try to make up for their misdeeds and turn things around. The weaker ones will run and hide. August is the latter, and given his actions, he totally had the re-wood-en-ing coming, so I’m not gonna say he doesn’t deserve to be in that crappy situation now. But I do hope that he finds a way to redeem himself, coz I’ve got a whole lotta empathy for the guy.

Oh, and one final thing…even if you hate August for having told Neal what to do, Neal still did what August told him to do. He still had the choice to leave her or to stand by her…and he left.

[Ziera]

@Phee wrote:

Not only is he carrying the burden of his own mistakes, but also the burden of his father’s mistake. Pinocchio didn’t ask for this role, and it’s in his nature to not be well behaved, so he’s struggling, and I think that struggle, and his mistakes, are understandable.

THAT is an excellent point. He is carrying around his father’s mistake. You’re right.

And also right about a lot of things. I think that we are quick to judge a lot of these characters for what they do, saying, ‘oh thats wrong that he did that, I hate him.’ When really we’d do the same or similar in their position. We think its wrong cause it is, and it is good we know that its wrong… but as you said, we all do wrong things.
I can relate to him a lot.

Also about Neal–

I personally really want him to get back with Emma. I know he chose to do this because of whatever August had in the box..but I’m thinking that it is something pretty darn crazy for him to have actually left her. I think he really was regretting the decision, and feeling awful about what happened to Emma. He would have traded places with her, I think. But this isn’t really on topic…haha. You’re right, he did do what August told him.

*SWANFIRE* keeper of Neal's dream catcher

[warhorse78]

Awe, I can’t believe people are dumping on August without knowing the entire story. Emma did this herself in Storybrook. She accused him of ratting out to Regina about the shovel when he was completely innocent of it. We don’t know for sure he is acting alone, or that he completely abandoned Emma. It’s too coincidental that Emma’s baby ended up in Storybrook, not without some help. I’m thinking August went back, under orders from the BF (I totally believe she is behind everything) and made arrangements for Henry’s adoption.

And when he left Emma again, how do we know he went out to have fun. Maybe he had other missions to do? How do we know for a fact he took the money? He could have very well left it in the car. Really, if he was that horrible, he simpley could of walked away and kept on walking when he was a little 7 year old boy. I just don’t understand the August haters. Like both August and Jefferson stated, people only want to see what’s in front of them instead of looking at the other angles.

[schmacky]

But, you’re doing the same thing but on the opposite side. You’re excusing his actions without knowing the full story.

I thought it was VERY obvious from August’s look when he saw the money that he pocketed it because he has issues with temptation. You could basically SEE the dollar signs in his eyes. I thought it interesting that after listening to the official podcast, Eddy and Adam basically confirmed my suspicions… that August did indeed take the money and that’s what funded his trip to Phuket.

[warhorse78]

@Schmacky wrote:

But, you’re doing the same thing but on the opposite side. You’re excusing his actions without knowing the full story.

I thought it was VERY obvious from August’s look when he saw the money that he pocketed it because he has issues with temptation. You could basically SEE the dollar signs in his eyes. I thought it interesting that after listening to the official podcast, Eddy and Adam basically confirmed my suspicions… that August did indeed take the money and that’s what funded his trip to Phuket.

It’s called benefit of the doubt. By your reasoning, if you were a judge, you probably would have killed more innocent men than evil men without knowing the full story. I don’t know about you, but I’d rather mistakenly let a guilty man go free than to mistakenly have an innocent man locked up and/or executed.

And in no way am I excusing what he was responsible for with Emma going to prison, but Neal is just as guilty, he could have said no, that there are other ways, but he didn’t. Why does August have to be the one burned at the stake and not Neal?

I’m also contemplating that Emma did indeed, live in a nice apartment in Boston, seemed to be well off to come to Storybrooke and decide to stay without a real job, had no problem paying back the bond money to MM…….You see my end? Benefit of the doubt. For all we know, maybe he did send the money to the prison, but the guard took it. Ever think about that?

[elle]

August/Pinocchio did not send the money. Eddy and Adam confirmed in the podcast interview, and Jane Espenson confirmed it on another interview. 🙂 Plus, even if they hadn’t, it was still pretty obvious that he did take the money–the way he looked at the money, the manner in which he pocketed it. He took the money, that much is clear. The address of the envelope that sent Emma that keys was Phukett–pleasure island. 🙂

[warhorse78]

@Elle wrote:

August/Pinocchio did not send the money. Eddy and Adam confirmed in the podcast interview, and Jane Espenson confirmed it on another interview. 🙂 Plus, even if they hadn’t, it was still pretty obvious that he did take the money–the way he looked at the money, the manner in which he pocketed it. He took the money, that much is clear. The address of the envelope that sent Emma that keys was Phukett–pleasure island. 🙂

I don’t go by, nor do I care what the writers say on podcast. If they want the intensions more clearer, then actually film it. And Phucket Island is also know as The Lost Island.

And if this is the case, then no wonder why Eion Bailey might leave this show after the writers are dumping all over his character. If August dies or is really somebody truly evil, I’m done with this show.

[elle]

The island is also known as Pleasure Island. 🙂 And I thought it was already clear from how he looks at the money–it was another temptation that he could not say no to. Also, I don’t think the writers are just dumping on August/Pinocchio–they have showed Rumpelstiltskin in a pretty bad light with how he molded Regina and killed his own wife. 🙂

[Phee]

There was an article at some point during the hiatus where it was mentioned that K&H had been in contact with Eion regarding August’s role for season 2. Even if they have him acting with dubious intentions, that’s not dumping all over the character. It’s keeping in character, because Pinocchio isn’t supposed to be a well behaved, trustworthy boy all the time. Having him act questionably makes me like him more, I’m intrigued to find out all the details of his story, and I’m drawn into his angst. I look forward to seeing how he attempts to redeem himself for his mistakes, and reunite with his father.

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