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Good point. Pinocchio is not supposed to be good. His character was known to stray off the path. 🙂 Plus, out of Regina, Rumpelstiltskin, and himself, he is still more deserving of redemption. He never killed, raped, tortured, or manipulated anyone. 🙂
[adrotate group="5"]@Elle wrote:
The island is also known as Pleasure Island. 🙂 And I thought it was already clear from how he looks at the money–it was another temptation that he could not say no to. Also, I don’t think the writers are just dumping on August/Pinocchio–they have showed Rumpelstiltskin in a pretty bad light with how he molded Regina and killed his own wife. 🙂
And yet, people stick up for Rumpel for that. Why not August? He didn’t ask to be thrown into the enchanted wardrobe and to be a guardian angel for some person. He didn’t ask for a curse that broke up his happy family. He’s lived a life just as alone, probably even more than Emma’s.
Even then if he did steal the money, it still worked out alright in the end for Emma. She knows her son, her mom, her dad. She is saving Storybrooke. He’s helping her and Henry when they need it, and when he can, but it’s hard to help your friends when your body is going into stasis.
I also want to know why he knows so much about Bae too. I don’t know why, but I keep seeing him as part of the lost boys. What has he been doing since he was seven and up to when we see him interact with Neal. That’s what, 17 years that we don’t know what he’s been up to?????? What was he doing during the tender years of 7 to 17 himself, on the streets?
@Elle wrote:
Good point. Pinocchio is not supposed to be good. His character was known to stray off the path. 🙂 Plus, out of Regina, Rumpelstiltskin, and himself, he is still more deserving of redemption. He never killed, raped, tortured, or manipulated anyone. 🙂
Well, don’t know about the manipulation part 😉
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And I agree–people stick up for Regina and Rumpelstiltskin when they have done far worse things, and have yet to feel true remorse for their actions. Not once have they said, “I’m sorry,” to the people they have hurt or admit they were wrong. They both (though I will say that Regina is making a bit more progress than Rumpelstiltskin) seem to still almost either justify their actions, come up with the same old excuses, or dismissed their actions entirely.
And yet when August does wrong, he has a whole army against him 🙄
And unlike Regina and Rumpelstiltskin, I do think August may feel guilt–that might be why he is hiding out. He may be too ashamed.
@Elle wrote:
@warehorse78
And I agree–people stick up for Regina and Rumpelstiltskin when they have done far worse things, and have yet to feel true remorse for their actions. Not once have they said, “I’m sorry,” to the people they have hurt or admit they were wrong. They both (though I will say that Regina is making a bit more progress than Rumpelstiltskin) seem to still almost either justify their actions, come up with the same old excuses, or dismissed their actions entirely.
And yet when August does wrong, he has a whole army against him 🙄
And unlike Regina and Rumpelstiltskin, I do think August may feel guilt–that might be why he is hiding out. He may be too ashamed.
It’s probably why he became a favorite of mine. I tend to like the “underdogs” so to speak. Although, I still love Emma and Jefferson more. I sure hope we get those scenes of Jefferson and August from Hat Trick later on down the road.
Oh Emma is one of my favorites, too! 😀 As it Jefferson! Also, I know this is an unpopular opinion, but I feel like Regina and Rumpelstiltskin are a little overated. They are awesome, I just don’t see why people depend them for everything, and then when one of the other characters make a mistake, they are hated.
@Elle wrote:
Oh Emma is one of my favorites, too! 😀 As it Jefferson! Also, I know this is an unpopular opinion, but I feel like Regina and Rumpelstiltskin are a little overated. They are awesome, I just don’t see why people depend them for everything, and then when one of the other characters make a mistake, they are hated.
People love their root villains…….It’s all I can think of.
Eion Bailey might leave this show after the writers are dumping all over his character.
That would be highly unprofessional of him. He is there to play a character.. not a loved and the bestie character in the world.. but a character that the writers create and expand upon.
Anyway.
For all we know, maybe he did send the money to the prison, but the guard took it. Ever think about that?
No, I didn’t because 1) It would be stupid for anyone to send money to a prison or a car and 2) like said MULTIPLE times before, it was very obvious that August took the money. Reading his facial cues and body language makes it obvious. It’s called reading between the lines. No, there was no dialogue that stated he didn’t take the money but the ACTING told us.
If they want the intensions more clearer, then actually film it.
They did film it. Watch it again and pay attention to Bailey’s face when August sees the money and how he tries to turn away from temptation by saying “Money isn’t what she needs. Not for what’s ahead.” Because he knows if he takes that money, he’s going to pocket it. He was trying to resist temptation but ultimately failed.
Why does August have to be the one burned at the stake and not Neal?
People have been annoyed with Neal and his decision and his “laying over” and just accepting of what August said. But, this isn’t a Neal thread.. it’s an August thread.
I’m also contemplating that Emma did indeed, live in a nice apartment in Boston, seemed to be well off to come to Storybrooke and decide to stay without a real job, had no problem paying back the bond money to MM…….You see my end? Benefit of the doubt.
No, I don’t see your end. So, because Emma made a life for herself within 10 years means what? That she had 20 grand to her name when she was 18? I don’t think so.
That would be highly unprofessional of him. He is there to play a character.. not a loved and the bestie character in the world.. but a character that the writers create and expand upon.
Not really, when he went through a similar process in Covert Affairs.
No, I didn’t because 1) It would be stupid for anyone to send money to a prison or a car and 2) like said MULTIPLE times before, it was very obvious that August took the money. Reading his facial cues and body language makes it obvious. It’s called reading between the lines. No, there was no dialogue that stated he didn’t take the money but the ACTING told us.
Sorry, I don’t see that. It’s not obvious that August took the money to me, since this show is always telling us to look past what we see in front or what is intended. Nothing is obvious on this show.
They did film it. Watch it again and pay attention to Bailey’s face when August sees the money and how he tries to turn away from temptation by saying “Money isn’t what she needs. Not for what’s ahead.” Because he knows if he takes that money, he’s going to pocket it. He was trying to resist temptation but ultimately failed.
Again, this show is famous for throwing obvious out the window! It made it look like at first that August was the one that ratted out the shovel to Regina, when in the end, it simply wasn’t true. Why should this instance be any difference????????
People have been annoyed with Neal and his decision and his “laying over” and just accepting of what August said. But, this isn’t a Neal thread.. it’s an August thread.
But even on regular discussion boards, I see people wanting to kill August, for theft. For leaving Emma when he was 7 years old. For tearing up the family, blah, blah, blah. But, he did not kill anyone! He did not physically hurt anyone. Not yet that we have seen. Why aren’t there posts crying for Regina’s or Rumpel’s heads on a stake. Instead, people love them. It’s sickening.
No, I don’t see your end. So, because Emma made a life for herself within 10 years means what? That she had 20 grand to her name when she was 18? I don’t think so.
Well, if you don’t have an open mind and only want to see the worst in people, then go ahead. He stole from her and was selfish and greedy to your eyes. I, just don’t know what happened, and I still think he’s not working alone. He seemed to have a genuine rapport with Emma and Henry, and that’s something I cannot get past. That is what is keeping my hope about him alive. I hope to see more of that in the very near future.
August was the one that ratted out the shovel to Regina, when in the end, it simply wasn’t true. Why should this instance be any difference????????
The difference is we found out the truth within the same episode. They threw us off in that ep and X amounts of minutes later told us otherwise. Which, btw, I never though August did take the shovel or rat her out. I knew it was Regina from the get-go. I thought that was obvious as well.
Well, if you don’t have an open mind and only want to see the worst in people, then go ahead.
Me thinking that Emma made a life for herself without the assistance of 20 grand and thinking August took it doesn’t mean I don’t have an open mind and only want to see the worst in people. I think that statement is going a little extreme.
Pinocchio is the story of a boy whom has a difficult time with temptation, lies, and struggles with those things. August himself said at least twice that there are a lot of temptations out there in the world and he is bad at saying no. Is it really so hard to believe that August took the money when by his own admission he failed Emma and partied it up when he shouldn’t have? Obviously, yes, any one can interpret it as they see fit… but to accuse someone of “wanting to see the worst in people” because they don’t think August was a saintly man is just… bad form.
He seemed to have a genuine rapport with Emma and Henry, and that’s something I cannot get past. That is what is keeping my hope about him alive.
Well, you shouldn’t have to get passed that. He built a rapport with Emma and Henry after he left teenage Emma, after he [supposedly] took the money, after he partied it up in Phuket, after he messed up big time. So yeah, I agree with you and I hope as well that he can turn his life around and become better. And say no to temptation finally. And help others without it directly effecting him.
In Tallahassee:
Neal: And if I can’t be there for her, man, you got to promise me that you will be.
August: I promise.
11 years later:
August: I was supposed to be there for you. And I wasn’t.
When August has that conversation with Emma, I do believe he ultimately is remorseful for his previous actions up to and including taking that money and not being there for Emma as he promised. But, to get to that point, he had to have made mistakes. You can’t just discount them because there’s always a “what if” out there. There is more ‘evidence’ of him messing up than him working for some third party. It’s a cop-out for his character and you miss a lot of his growth if you don’t acknowledge his mess ups in the past. IMO.
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