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[RumplesGirl]

You all have convinced me about the wraith/shadow thing. 🙂

BUT I am not convinced at all that Hook = Pan. Not anymore. In the synopsis released for the show, it says Bae meets a vengeful Hook and in the USA promo we see the creepy yellow eyed (still creeped out…) Pan floating outside Wendy’s window. Hook and Peter are not one and the same.

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@KFChimera wrote:

I think there is a connection between the wraith and that shadow peter pan thing too.

They have such a similar feel about them. The eyes are different shape though, and the Wraith had no legs, but I can’t shake the feeling that they’re related somehow, especially if they want to relate the end of the season to the beginning. It would tie things together nicely.

However that shadow cannot be Peter Pan if A&E are to believed that we won’t “see” Peter Pan this season.

Unless it’s just his shadow, which they’re classing as a separate entity? But that might be stretching it a bit? They said there’d be hints about someone who we wouldn’t actually see until next season. If we assume that “someone” is Peter Pan, I’d say that even showing his shadow is as good as us seeing him. For me, the jury is still out on exactly who/what that thing holding Wendy’s hand is.

Did Barrie give Peter Pan a specific origin story, or was he always just that boy in Neverland who never grew up?

[Slurpeez]

@Phee wrote:

@KFChimera wrote:

I think there is a connection between the wraith and that shadow peter pan thing too.

They have such a similar feel about them. The eyes are different shape though, and the Wraith had no legs, but I can’t shake the feeling that they’re related somehow, especially if they want to relate the end of the season to the beginning. It would tie things together nicely.

While I don’t think Peter Pan’s shadow is the Wraith, I think NL is a sort of “shadow world” where lost souls might go. So, it’s possible we’ll see Mulan, Aurora, Philip, and Baelfire in NL if that is where souls get sent after being sucked by the Wraith.

@Phee wrote:

Did Barrie give Peter Pan a specific origin story, or was he always just that boy in Neverland who never grew up?

Yes, Barrie did give Peter Pan an origin story. I found this on Wikipedia:

Peter Pan in Kensington Gardens: Infant Peter flies from his home, makes friends with fairies, and takes up residence in Kensington Gardens. It is a “book-within-a-book” that was first published in Barrie’s The Little White Bird.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

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@slurpeez108 wrote:

@Phee wrote:

@KFChimera wrote:

I think there is a connection between the wraith and that shadow peter pan thing too.

They have such a similar feel about them. The eyes are different shape though, and the Wraith had no legs, but I can’t shake the feeling that they’re related somehow, especially if they want to relate the end of the season to the beginning. It would tie things together nicely.

While I don’t think Peter Pan’s shadow is the Wraith, I think NL is a sort of “shadow world” where lost souls might go. So, it’s possible we’ll see Mulan, Aurora, Philip, and Baelfire in NL if that is where souls get sent after being sucked by the Wraith.

I hadn’t really bought into the theories about the Wraith’s captured souls going to NL before. But I’m starting to consider it as an option, after seeing the ShadowyPanThingo.

@Phee wrote:

Did Barrie give Peter Pan a specific origin story, or was he always just that boy in Neverland who never grew up?

Yes, Barrie did give Peter Pan an origin story. I found this on Wikipedia:

Peter Pan in Kensington Gardens: Infant Peter flies from his home, makes friends with fairies, and takes up residence in Kensington Gardens. It is a “book-within-a-book” that was first published in Barrie’s The Little White Bird.

Cool. Didn’t see any mention in their blurbs there about how he actually got to NL, but the Neverpedia.com site says, “He flies to Neverland after being “abandoned” by his mother.” So Barrie’s FictionalLondon was a land with magic, and Peter was just a Londoner baby who ran away to the park to hang out with fairies. So I wonder if K&H’s FictionalLondon will have resident fairies too? Or if they’ll borrow any of Barrie’s ideas at all for their own Pan origin story?

[TheGoldenKey]

[/quote]Cool. Didn’t see any mention in their blurbs there about how he actually got to NL, but the Neverpedia.com site says, “He flies to Neverland after being “abandoned” by his mother.” So Barrie’s FictionalLondon was a land with magic, and Peter was just a Londoner baby who ran away to the park to hang out with fairies. So I wonder if K&H’s FictionalLondon will have resident fairies too? Or if they’ll borrow any of Barrie’s ideas at all for their own Pan origin story?[/quote]

The thing about Peter being abandoned is that that is how HE sees it. I can’t remember which book, but he does attempt to go back to his mother, peers into the window and sees her with a new baby. He thinks she has forgotten him, no longer loves him and decides to leave once again. The truth is that he has passed on while she has remained with the living and moved on though still never having forgotten her son.

I find it so funny that while he wrote the stories for the Llewelyn, so much of it really pertains to his deceased brother. The narrator in the books tells that that when children die, Peter is known to take them halfway to their new destination so they won’t be frightened. He is caught somewhere between both worlds and we hear him say “To die would be an awfully big adventure”.

Now, in regards to his shadow. I don’t believe it is a wraith. I merely said it looks somewhat wraith like. Certainly seems to be pointing to it being his shadow. Creepy way of showing one’s shadow though. 😮

Keeper of Pandora's Box & The Yellow Brick Road.

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@TheGoldenKey wrote:

The thing about Peter being abandoned is that that is how HE sees it. I can’t remember which book, but he does attempt to go back to his mother, peers into the window and sees her with a new baby. He thinks she has forgotten him, no longer loves him and decides to leave once again. The truth is that he has passed on while she has remained with the living and moved on though still never having forgotten her son.

It’s from Peter Pan in Kensington Gardens, (though this blurb doesn’t mention anything about him having passed on):

Peter feels rather guilty for leaving his mother, mostly because he believes she misses him terribly. He considers returning to live with her, but first decides to go back to the Gardens to say his last good-byes. Unfortunately, Peter stays too long in the Gardens, and, when he uses his second wish to go home permanently, he is devastated to learn that, in his absence, his mother has given birth to another boy she can love. Peter returns, heartbroken, to Kensington Gardens.

It is interesting that he feels abandoned by a parent. Sounds familiar.

[kfchimera]

Doesn’t Peter also say that to live would be a big adventure? This idea of Peter as someone caught between life and death is a great parallel to the wraith and what it supposedly did. Not that the shadow is the wraith but that type of magic is connected to Neverland. There is someone on the board that keeps mispelling Neverland as Netherland, and commonly we refer to the land of the dead as Netherworld. So I’m thinking Neverland isn’t quite the Disney land that’s all cute and fluffy, with fairies and such. It’s really a dark place that ties in to the imagery one associates with a netherworld that houses lost spirits.

That aside there’s another line Barie wrote in Peter Pan that makes me think of someone:

It was then that Hook bit him.
Not the pain of this but its unfairness was what dazed Peter. It made him quite helpless. He could only stare, horrified. Every child is affected thus the first time he is treated unfairly. All he thinks he has a right to when he comes to you to be yours is fairness. After you have been unfair to him he will love you again, but he will never afterwards be quite the same boy. No one ever gets over the first unfairness; no one except Peter.”
― J.M. Barrie, Peter Pan

If this is a show about hope, if you have a child that can eventually forgive abandonment….that might be something we see in the show.

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

[Slurpeez]

@KFChimera wrote:

Doesn’t Peter also say that to live would be a big adventure? This idea of Peter as someone caught between life and death is a great parallel to the wraith and what it supposedly did. Not that the shadow is the wraith but that type of magic is connected to Neverland. There is someone on the board that keeps mispelling Neverland as Netherland, and commonly we refer to the land of the dead as Netherworld. So I’m thinking Neverland isn’t quite the Disney land that’s all cute and fluffy, with fairies and such. It’s really a dark place that ties in to the imagery one associates with a netherworld that houses lost spirits.

I hope NL isn’t super dark. Rather, if it is a place for lost souls, I want it to parallel a dream world instead, a place between waking and sleeping. J.M. Barrie wrote the story to describe heaven and based the character of Peter Pan on his own beloved brother, who passed away at age14. If you saw the movie Finding Neverland, Barrie was also partly inspired by his platonic relationship with Sylvia Llewelyn Davies, and his close friendship with her sons. She is diagnosed with consumption, but before she dies, Barrie has his cast come and preform his play Peter Pan in her home, because she is too ill to visit the theatre. She glimpses NL and it is a metaphor for paradise and heaven, where one is pepetually young and healthy.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

[RumplesGirl]

I hope NL isn’t super dark. Rather, if it is a place for lost souls, I want it to parallel a dream world instead, a place between waking and sleeping.

Agreed. After the heaviness of S2, it would be nice if NL was a sort of fantasy land. It is supposed to be where you never have to grow up, so I’d like it to be more whimsical.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[Slurpeez]

Only watch if you don’t want to spoil the film Finding Neverland based on the life of J.M. Barrie. Here is the scene from the film Finding Neverland. It’s a beautiful film that I highly recommend. Even though Sylvia is dying, she glimpses NL as she would paradise. Also, the scene after it is of Barrie and Sylvia’s son, Peter, talking about Neverland being where Sylvia went after she passes from this world. So, NL could be a place of eternal life or heaven.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

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