Was Rumple a Lost Boy? (spoilers!)

[RumplesGirl]

Well, I’m pretty sure Rufio is a code name for PP in which they’ve already cast him.

[Slurpeez]

While I’m certainly open to the theory that PP and Rumple are related, perhaps even brothers, I’m also considering a slightly more straightforward explanation. I’m inclined to think that the blue coat clad doll made from straw is associated with Baelfire. After all, Baelfire was wearing a navy blue coat when he left Captain Hook in 2×22. If Rumple has ever been in NL, I believe it was as an adult when he was searching for Bae after the events of “The Return” when he intially lost him, and Rumple has seen that doll before, which is why Rumple openly wept since he is mourning the loss of his son all over again.

Here’s an image of the jacket Baelfire was wearing in “And Straight on ‘Til Morning.” The doll was in a blue jacket, so perhaps it really is a Voodoo doll of Bae which is another of PP’s torture devices.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

[PriceofMagic]

Felix said something about something not thought about in YEARS can make us cry. Bae and Belle have been on Rumples mind for DAYS.

I think the doll may have something to do with Rumple’s mother.

All magic comes with a price!

Keeper of Felix

[Slurpeez]

Felix said something about something not thought about in YEARS can make us cry. Bae and Belle have been on Rumples mind for DAYS.

Just because Rumple has recently seen Bae doesn’t mean Rumple has thought about the doll recently. It’s been centuries since Rumple initially let go of Bae’s hand in “The Return.” If Rumple was ever in NL as an adult around the same time Bae was, he may have come across this doll before. My guess is that PP might have shown the doll to Rumple, allowing Rumple to assume the worst. PP probably was keeping Bae’s whereabout a secret, since PP had other plans to let Bae return to Earth to meet Emma and father Henry. Let’s say Rumple somehow figured out that Bae was in NL and had gone to retreive him, PP could have said Bae had escaped or was dead and shown the doll to Rumple. If the doll is some sort of Voodoo doll then that would cause even more pain for Rumple, especially in the present day when he believes his son is dead and gone forever.

I think the doll may have something to do with Rumple’s mother.

It’s entirely possible. With so little to go on, tt’s too early to rule out anything.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

[kfchimera]

Maybe Milah made the doll for Bae, but took it with her when she left to remember Bae? Then Bae found it on the ship, a sign that his mother did love him (in her miserable way).   Rumpel  hasn’t thought about her in years, but he never told Bae he killed her.  If he realizes that Hook met Bae (something it is not clear he realizes yet), he might finally realize that Bae found out what Rumpel did to her, and that has got to trigger waves of feelings, that Bae spent years in NL with not just the image of his father breaking their deal, but smashing  his mother’s heart.  Because if Bae could still love his Papa, after abandonment (though angry), he might have still loved his mother too and not been like “she had it coming, no big loss” as Rumple appears to feel.

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

[PriceofMagic]

If the doll is associated with Rumple’s mother, perhaps that was the time when Rumple was last truly happy. When his mother was alive and loved him.

All magic comes with a price!

Keeper of Felix

[RumplesGirl]

If the doll is associated with Rumple’s mother, perhaps that was the time when Rumple was last truly happy. When his mother was alive and loved him.

I can’t even with the feels.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[Slurpeez]

Here is a fan theory I read about why the doll is likely associated with Baelfire’s childhood rather than Rumple’s own childhood. Based on what has been shown so far in the show, it makes a lot of sense to me.

Rumple, The Lost Boys, and the Doll

A lot of people are jumping to the conclusion that Rumplestiltskin might have been a lost boy, but this simply does not fit with canon.

What we know about Rumple’s past:

• When he was young, his father went out one night, claiming to fetch water but forgot the bucket. Rumple went after his father to bring him the bucket and watches as two men murder his father. They then notice Rumple and wonder what to do, finally deciding to “take him to the spinners.”
• Presumably, the spinners raised him and gave him his trade (his mother probably had died before then).
• Rumple grew up in the same village and came of age and married Milah.
• Rumple wanted to prove himself and free himself from the taint of his father who was a known coward (running away from his debts). He enlists in the ogre wars, and we know the rest.

There isn’t room for Rumple to be a lost boy. The doll might be from his childhood or most likely the doll belonged to Bae. Rumplestlitskin has just lost his son again, this time he believes for good (“dead is dead, dearie”). What else would make Rumplestiltskin break down like that? Not his own childhood, but his own child.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

[HappyEndings]

Here is a fan theory I read about why the doll is likely associated with Baelfire’s childhood rather than Rumple’s own childhood. Based on what has been shown so far in the show, it makes a lot of sense to me.

Rumple, The Lost Boys, and the Doll

A lot of people are jumping to the conclusion that Rumplestiltskin might have been a lost boy, but this simply does not fit with canon.

What we know about Rumple’s past:

• When he was young, his father went out one night, claiming to fetch water but forgot the bucket. Rumple went after his father to bring him the bucket and watches as two men murder his father. They then notice Rumple and wonder what to do, finally deciding to “take him to the spinners.”
• Presumably, the spinners raised him and gave him his trade (his mother probably had died before then).
• Rumple grew up in the same village and came of age and married Milah.
• Rumple wanted to prove himself and free himself from the taint of his father who was a known coward (running away from his debts). He enlists in the ogre wars, and we know the rest.

There isn’t room for Rumple to be a lost boy. The doll might be from his childhood or most likely the doll belonged to Bae. Rumplestlitskin has just lost his son again, this time he believes for good (“dead is dead, dearie”). What else would make Rumplestiltskin break down like that? Not his own childhood, but his own child.

I totally agree with this the doll is just an image of Bae, to make Rumble feel bad or a voodoo doll of Bae since PP might need something to keep things exciting on the island how else could he control all the shadows?

Also remember Emma stating that only Hook and Regina have been to NL 🙂

[PriceofMagic]

The scene with young Rumple and his father has not been included on the DVD deleted scenes and so can no longer be counted as canon. Perhaps they have decided to go a different way with Rumple’s past.

All magic comes with a price!

Keeper of Felix

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