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I agree with Slurpeez108 that a parent, especially Rumple, would cry over the toy of their child BUT 1) if that is Bae’s doll from when he was growing up we would have seen it by now. They could have used the ball we saw Bae playing with, they could have somehow used the shaw, something that audience instantly connects with Baelfire. But instead it’s a mystery as to who’s doll it really it is which is why I think it’s Rumple’s, it creates the mystery for the season (one of them at lest): how are PP and Rumple connected? What is their backstory/their history? And it’s more Rumple backstory. 2) The line from Felix is so…carefully constructed and needs so much unpacking that yes it’s psychological torture for Rumple buy probably on many different levels. The doll may remind him of Bae’s lost childhood because it’s also representative of his (Rumple’s) lost childhood. I think that doll is symbolic on many levels; it’s Bae, it’s Rumple, it’s Henry. A lot of our theories could be right (it belonged to Rumple as a child but it being used to torture Rumple over the death of Bae and loss of Henry) without being conflicting.
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"In TV writing the writers are constrained. They have an outline, but many details change. We did not see the shawl in Desperate souls or when Bae went in the portal. It took all the way to Manhattan for us to see the backstory, and we were merely told that it had been Bae’s when in the Outsider Rumpel dumped potion on it. They did not go back to a prop we saw in the season 1 scenes.
Also they could not use the shawl as it was in Rumpel’s hands minutes before Henry is kidnapped. The idea is this is an object that PP has had that Rumpel has not seen in a long time. The ball may not have seemed unique enough, and the story of how this toy came to be might have tempted them to sacrifice the foreshadowing of the object as it did with the shawl.
Also, I had this thought–what if Rumpel taught Bae how to make a doll, and this doll is one Neal made for Henry in SB? Rumpel would not have seen it before but he would recognize the style of the toy. Rumpel goes from smashing things to carefully placing the chipped cup away when grieving Belle. I feel he goes from kill mode to weepy in a parallel here. It is not that he is reminded of some other trauma, but it changes his mood.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
Having seen the clip, the idea that Rumple had been a lost boy himself didn’t even occur to me until someone else brought it up! When Rumple broke down in tears over the doll, I immediately assumed it had opened a fresh wound of the pain of loosing Bae. I don’t think Rumple was in NL as a child…I’m guessing he ended up there as the Dark One in an effort to get Baelfire back. I think he must have known he was there at some point. Maybe Bae *made* the doll while he was in Neverland if he didn’t have it on him. I just have a feeling it is connected to him. Here’s a thought- perhaps Rumple came to NL and then Baelfire found a way to escape and ended up in our world- we haven’t heard that story yet. Conversations in past episodes definitely suggest Rumple knew something of Bae’s whereabouts after he fell through the portal at some point.
Another reason I think it’s more likely that the doll has to do with Bae and not Rumple’s childhood is that it fits better with the story they are trying to tell rather than introduce a whole new backstory not directly related to the current situation. At any rate, even if he was there as a child, he had to have also been there as an adult after he became the Dark One since Felix refers to him as the Dark One. Also, if Pan and Rumple were enemies, I can’t imagine events leading to that happening when Rumple was just a kid.
However, as I always say, I have been wrong before!
Another reason I think it’s more likely that the doll has to do with Bae and not Rumple’s childhood is that it fits better with the story they are trying to tell rather than introduce a whole new backstory not directly related to the current situation.
Unless our newest crack theory doing the rounds about PP being Rumple’s brother is true, in which case, they’ll be telling the story of Rumple’s childhood.
Just had a thought. Rumple’s line at the end of ASOTM about PP being “someone we all should fear” kind of conflicts with Rumple say “I’m not afraid of anything” at the end of Desperate Souls after he became the Dark One. What if PP is Rumple’s childhood boogeyman?
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixJust had a thought. Rumple’s line at the end of ASOTM about PP being “someone we all should fear” kind of conflicts with Rumple say “I’m not afraid of anything” at the end of Desperate Souls after he became the Dark One. What if PP is Rumple’s childhood boogeyman?
Don’t know about boogeyman but those two lines together to me mean that Rumple for sure went to NL *after* he became the Dark One. I think before is debatable.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I think if Rumple was afraid of PP as a child then an element of that fear could still remain in Rumple as an adult. As the dark one, he confronted that fear, but an element of it still remains.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixAngieBelle, even though I’m envious, I am so happy you got to go there, must have been amazing. Thanks for tweeting so many pictures (and thanks to Obisgirl for pasting them in the forums too).
I agree with what you say about the storylines. That’s what I want to see, Rumpel deal with his grief, not just his guilt.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
I just saw this.
There is a picture of Gold in his shop holding a ball that looks a lot like the ball Bae had. I think these are clips of scenes in season 1, yet they still chose to use a baby-blanket we had never seen before in kicking off the “sentimental object of Bae’s” storyline. I think Gold would have looked pretty silly hugging that ball the entire time in the airport/car too. So even though it was planted and available, the writers couldn’t do the storyline they wanted for character development with the ball object.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
Finally! We have the video of the entire D23 Expo Panel + Rumple/Mr. Gold in Neverland Sneak Peek. Robert Carlyle is amazing how he went from so threatening to crying in mere moments. Here’s a screenshot of the doll that’s been so heavily debated. Having seen it, I’m still just as clueless. I think it’s a male figure rather than a female though. Whether it’s Rumples or Bae’s I don’t know for sure.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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