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I feel as if I should offer to drink coffee if I’m wrong just like Daniel. lol. But I don’t think I want to chance it…I was also originally adamant that Cora was not the Queen of Hearts, Bae had not gone to Neverland, and Whale was not Dr. Frankenstein, and see how that turned out? lol
[adrotate group="5"]Well, we know he wasn’t depending on The Curse alone to get to Bae. He knew that was going to happen and yet he still hired Jefferson to get the slippers.
…and now I’m wondering if there’s a link in the timeline to when Bae left Neverland. But that would make him much older…argh.
(because that scene happened somewhere near the time Regina married Leopold, which makes it around 15 years before the curse. What scant evidence we have suggests that Bae would have had to come to our world after the curse, possibly in 1991–if the birthdate he apparently claimed of 1977 was remotely close to his physical age.)
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Well, we know he wasn’t depending on The Curse alone to get to Bae. He knew that was going to happen and yet he still hired Jefferson to get the slippers. …and now I’m wondering if there’s a link in the timeline to when Bae left Neverland. But that would make him much older…argh.
At the end of s2, a bunch of us determined that Neal is about 36. His wanted poster in 2×6 gave his fake year of birth as being 1977. (2013-1977 = 36). Bae would have still been physically 14 when he came back to Earth, since he hadn’t aged in NL. So, 1977 + 14 = 1991. Bae would have been 14 in 1991 Earth time. That means Neal must’ve come back to Earth and started aging after the curse had already been in place for 8 years (since 1983).
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Which begs the question: Why did Rumple want to come to our world (assuming that’s the world he spoke of–a world without magic, and we know from Oz lore that the slippers lead to “our” world, so it’s strongly suggested they’re the same) a good two-three decades before Bae would show up, without the Curse to keep him ageless?
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Which begs the question: Why did Rumple want to come to our world (assuming that’s the world he spoke of–a world without magic, and we know from Oz lore that the slippers lead to “our” world, so it’s strongly suggested they’re the same) a good two-three decades before Bae would show up, without the Curse to keep him ageless?
Good point. I think that perhaps Rumple never knew Bae was in NL. Maybe Rumple just went to NL to make a deal with PP for the dark curse, and Peter didn’t tell Rumple where Bae was. So, Rumple continued to believe that his son was in A Land Without Magic. But that’s still a problem in my book since after 250 odd years, one would normally expect a mortal to have died. Why did Rumple think Bae would even still be alive after all that time?
ETA: Maybe Rumple wanted the ruby slippers for a rainy day and would have used the slippers much later rather than right away. Rumple might have been trying to avoid using the dark curse by acquiring some other means of transport. He might’ve thought he could outwit fate/the prophesy.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Which begs the question: Why did Rumple want to come to our world (assuming that’s the world he spoke of–a world without magic, and we know from Oz lore that the slippers lead to “our” world, so it’s strongly suggested they’re the same) a good two-three decades before Bae would show up, without the Curse to keep him ageless?
This is why I think there’s someone else in the chain of command above Rumple, and that someone is PP. Nealfire landed in our world at a time when he’d be able to age to the point where he could make baby Henry with Emma. Henry is who PP needed. If Nealfire’s aging process wasn’t properly controlled, Henry would have never been. Nealfire was in NL, before coming to our world. So I think PP is the one in the chain of command above Rumple.
Rumple had enough control over the Curse to make it take him to the land that Bae would be in, but he couldn’t control the exact timing or location. That was controlled by someone who needed Henry to be created, and then be of a certain age at a certain time. If Rumple had complete control over how the Curse worked, he wouldn’t have made it so he had to wait 3 decades and then go on an uncertain search to find his son.
My headcanon is that he was constantly looking for other ways to get to Bae. And that’s why I think if he was in NL before, it was in pursuit of Bae. After all, once he had the seer’s power, he knew at least some of the things that had to come to pass before The Curse–Cora’s having a daughter, Snow White being involved. We don’t know just how detailed his knowledge was beyond what the Seer and BF told him and the little hints of what he was setting up, but it was a lot of work (and some of it rather cruel work–I do think at times he’s felt sorry for what he had to do to certain people, including Regina). If there was a shortcut, Rumple would totally take it.
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My headcanon is that he was constantly looking for other ways to get to Bae. And that’s why I think if he was in NL before, it was in pursuit of Bae. After all, once he had the seer’s power, he knew at least some of the things that had to come to pass before The Curse–Cora’s having a daughter, Snow White being involved. We don’t know just how detailed his knowledge was beyond what the Seer and BF told him and the little hints of what he was setting up, but it was a lot of work (and some of it rather cruel work–I do think at times he’s felt sorry for what he had to do to certain people, including Regina). If there was a shortcut, Rumple would totally take it.
Part of me wonders if Rumple’s seeing ability doesn’t touch NL; only works for FTL.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Part of me wonders if Rumple’s seeing ability doesn’t touch NL; only works for FTL.
I really think Rumple’s foresight has to extend beyond FTL. In 2×15 (The queen is dead), Rumple sent Regina and Cora on a wild goose chase for the dagger. He planted the fake evidence that would lead them to the library and then to the forest to dig in the dirt.
Rumple planned this with his foresight, knowing that Snow would see Regina and Cora digging for the dagger, which would prompt Snow and Charming to begin their own search for the dagger.
I could be wrong, but that’s how I rationalized that meaningless search for the dagger. If I’m right, it would suggest his foresight works in storybrooke and all the other worlds with magic.
Ah, but was that “seeing” or knowing? Rumple may be able to see bits of the future, but he’s also incredibly bright. Whether it was Cora or not, Rumple was leaving town and there are a great many people who would like the chance to take that dagger. So it could be that he saw Regina and Cora or it could just be careful planning.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
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