Was Snow White's story manipulated to make her a princess and hero?

[nealfanforever]

I think the story will play out that Mary Margaret/Snow White’s story was manipulated to make her the hero.  So many things point to this going all the way back to the beginning of the series. Did Mary Margaret write it? Did Snow White? Did MM/SW force someone else to write it? Did someone else write it to make Snow White the hero?  I’m not sure..but things point to Mary Margaret/Snow White/Ginnifer Goodwin…Good always Wins.  Snow White was always a step ahead of the game…swooping in as the hero.

[nealfanforever]

I believe the Title Cards for each episode are one of the keys to unlocking whose perspective we are seeing.  The trees are perfectly straight, except if you look through the O in ONCE you will see the tree bend.  In Regina Rising, Regina’s painting teacher points out that nothing in nature is perfect and Regina’s trees are perfectly straight.  Regina changes them to be more curvy and natural.  The list of Title Cards can be found on the ONCE wiki…it is interesting to see which ones have the straight trees and which ones are different.

Mary Margaret wears a key necklace in Season 1 and 2 and the key bears a close resemblance to the key to the story book.

Did she write the story straight up?  Did she trade places with someone?  I don’t know?  But I think this whole thing is about to crack wide open and we will rewatch the series with new eyes.

The fastest way to lose the person you love was to be Snow White’s friend.  It is almost as if she wanted those close to her…she wanted them all to herself.  Look at the list of those who were close to Snow and who died.

David…his mother

Red…her boyfriend and mother

Emma…Graham, Neal, and more

Regina…Daniel

Snow’s father…his wife

In Regina Rising we learn that Regina’s family lived right near Snow’s family.  When Cora got the water to make Zelena and Regina forget knowing each other as children she made the comment there was a part of the water that ran right near their home.   This would have put it right near Snow’s home as well.

And endless supply of memory reset for the taking.

Lavender…a color to pay attention to.

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[ry4christ]

That’s quite the theory!! I never noticed Snow’s key necklace and it’s resemblance to the storybook’s key – you have such a good eye for detail. Your list of Snow’s close relationships and their losses reminds me of Regina’s line about Snow to Tinkerbell in 3×03: “She’s a monster. Totally indulged and adored. She sort of ricochets through life telling people’s secrets.” As much as I love the show hitting me with a shocking twist, I really hope Snow is who we think she is. If she’s secretly evil that would devastate Charming, Emma, Henry, and Regina. I wouldn’t want to see that after so much growth in those relationships over the seasons, especially with Emma and Henry.

[nealfanforever]

That is a great line from Regina to Tinker Bell!  There is another scene in The Queen is Dead where Regina and Mary Margaret are sitting at Granny’s and Regina says to Snow, “Have you ever considered that maybe, perhaps…I am good?  I was always the Queen. It was you who added ‘Evil’ to my name.

I don’t think Mary Margaret/Snow will be lost as the ultimate evil.  I’m not sure how they will resolve the story, alot would have to do with when it was written and under what circumstances it was written.  I’ve wondered if Mary Margaret was locked up in the hospital basement’s cuckoo’s nest or if Snow was imprisoned in a tower.  The dark curse not only brought Rumple to a world without magic…something Baelfire desperately wanted…it also brought Snow White to the world without magic.  Perhaps getting Snow White to Storybrooke is what will save her and save everyone.

I went back and looked at Snow White’s mother’s funeral.  Weird creepy people….I had forgotten how dark they were. Also the dark castle was dark before Regina ever married Leopold.

In the very first episode when Mary Margaret and Emma are talking at school they are walking down the hall and Mary Margaret talks about the struggle of kids and Emma describes Regina as a hard-ass. Mary Margaret replies no, to the comment about Regina..that he is wrestling with the question “Why would anyone give me away?” At that point Mary Margaret stops in the hall and there is a picture behind Mary Margaret and the picture looks a lot like Cora and even a little like Regina’s photo in the locket.

When the curse was first cast and Mary Margaret and Regina bump into each other on the street there is a Peter Pan type figure in the background at the vegetable cart.  The figure is there each time.  There is also a photo of Mary Margaret and Emma where MM has a Peter Pan collar on.  This is the photo Henry is looking at after they were pulled through the hat. In Neverland when Peter lands he doesn’t crow like he does in the book…he yells “Cuckoo, Cuckoo.” A Cuckoo bird lays its egg in another bird’s nest and the egg hatches early and the baby Cuckoo bird will actually push the other unhatched eggs out of the nest.  It is amazing to see.  Rumple referred  to Regina that he knew her long ago when she was “portable”.  We also have antlers all over the place including Regina’s vault which could symbolize a cuckold. A cuckold is the husband of an adulterous wife it is also applied to males who are unwittingly investing parental effort in offspring that are not genetically their own.  The vault contains the body of Henry who is often credited as The Valet.  Regina could have been the offspring of another man and passed off as Henry’s child.  We know Cora was going to pass off the evil fake prince, “gardener’s” baby, Zelena as the baby of Leopold.  It would be interesting if Princess Eva did the same thing.  Sneaky Eva was determined to give Leopold a pure child, “Today your heart aches, your highness, but I promise a more worthy wife will give you the child that you deserve One that will be pure.  Pure as snow.” Regina…Snow…who are they really.  Who are their biological parents. I think there is an untold story here.

There are so many possibilities I’m not sure which direction to go but I do believe there is a deeper story  with Regina and Snow.  In Regina Rising which has been released and is official canon, Regina is a teenager and she ends up in Snow’s room.  Snow is a spoiled little princess but Regina says that she thinks Snow’s life is similar to hers.  When Regina sits on the bed beside Snow she is flooded with emotion and she indicates she doesn’t know if it is maternal or sisterly, but it was so powerful she got up.

I can’t wait to see how this all plays out.

 

Edited to add:  A twitter photo was released today that is supportive of the Cuckold theory.  I’m waiting for direction on whether it should be posted here or in the spoilers section.

 

 

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[nealfanforever]

Another interesting comparison is between the promo photo of the Evil Queen with the O highlighting her arm and a promo photo of Snow White with an apple tattoo in the same location .

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[nealfanforever]

A twitter photo was released today that strengthens my thoughts that Henry is not Regina’s biological father. Cora tried to make Leopold a cuckold by passing off Zelena as his baby.  She was thwarted by Eva.  The origin of the word cuckold is from the cuckoo who lays her eggs in another birds nest and the chick hatches and pushes the other eggs out of the nest. The symbol of a cuckold is horns and Henry Mill’s tomb, Regina’s family vault is adorned with the symbol of horns.  My theory is Cora passed off Regina as Henry’s child but her father is not Henry…thus the nod to him being credited as the Valet.   Could Cora have glamoured herself to look like Eva and slept with Leopold…making Leopold Regina’s father?  I doubt this because it would introduce unknowing incest on the part of Regina.  I don’t see the writers going there.   The only way this would be possible is if Regina and Leopold never slept together which could be inferred from Regina saying their marriage was in name only and that it was not a real marriage which could indicate they had a marriage contract but not sex. Or perhaps Cora became pregnant by King Xavier and he was the father?  If true time will tell.  I’ve also wondered if Snow’s parents are biologically her parents.  What are Eva’s hidden secrets?  Do we have half sisters in the mix?  Cousins?  Did magic steal another woman’s egg and then carry it in a barren womb passing the child off as their own. I don’t know but it would be an interesting twist.

An image I can’t get out of my mind is Charming putting the vial of entwined hair (resembling DNA) into a golden egg and then shoving that egg inside Maleficent while she was in dragon form. Quite the imagery.  Also interesting that Snow’s coffin resembles a cocoon. OH I think the coming episodes are going to bring us back to everything we thought we knew and we are going to learn the ultimate untold story.  It is interesting that Maleficent has horns…so very, very interesting.  There is a shot of Regina braiding young snow’s hair…the episode where there is a vision of her strangling young Snow with the necklace (was this Regina’s vision or Snow’s vision).  In the foreground is the statue of a dragon clutching a round globe like object.  Whose statue is this?  Snow’s or Regina’s.  I think we have much to learn.  Even if this theory is wrong I believe and ultimate twist is coming and it will change the way we watch the entire series.  Eddy and Adam have indicated the relationship between Snow and Regina is ground zero. They have also indicated that the final battle will bring us back to Season 1.  I’ve just had a new thought.  If I had to take this theory and push it all the way to the edge of reality I would ponder if Snow was still barren and an egg was stolen from Regina and used to create Emma.  Thus making Snow a surrogate for Regina’s child Emma….Emma who has magic like Regina has magic.  Emma who was trained in Magic like Granny trained Red.  Who knows…but it is going to be interesting.  What would be a motivation for this?  Snow may not biologically be who we think she is.  Thus she needed a donar egg.  The theory is stretching into crackpot at this stage but it never hurts to speculate.  The idea of stolen eggs and unknown family ties fits in with little egg clues throughout the series.  Snow was caught in Red’s henhouse stealing eggs.  We just had an episode were young Zelena healed a cracked egg and restored the birdnest. I go all the way back to the promo photos from the beginning of the series.  A photo of Snow in a nest. A photo of Regina in a nest. A photo of Rumple in a nest.  The storybook has highlighted the letters OUaT…OUT.  One flew east…one flew west…one flew over the cuckoo’s nest. OUT spells out.   One egg pushed out and relplaced with another.  Or it could simply be Snow…Eva and Leopold with some recessive genetic trait that would create some sort of mutant monster…glamored into a beautiful Snow but in need of a donar egg.  It is such a crazy thought but what an amazing reveal that would be.  Snow and Emma possibly sisters as well as mother and daughter.  Regina an unknown mother…hole in the heart filled.  Or Regina as an unknown sisster?  The possibilities can go multiple ways…but wow!  I think of that shot of Regina on one side of the door and Emma on the other side.  What a fun thought and beautiful way to bring the book to a close…unknown Mother, Daughter, Sister ties.

 

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[nonnie]

I am having trouble wrapping my head around your theories ….

1./ In every version of Snow White I have every read even before the 1960s SNOW was a princess … in need of rescuing. Not a hero that is a more current, modern invention / interpretation of the stories (… movies/ cartoons, etc. )

2./ I do not think EF / cursed SB had the medical expertise to do donor transplants … Can you honestly picture VICTOR FRANKENSTEIN / Dr Whale doing the procedure? … I definitely think EMMA is Snow and Charming’s baby …. they seem like a loving and ACTIVE couple… and EQ drank the potion / birth control THAT rendered her infertile so I do not think she could have donated the egg

[nealfanforever]

I don’t think we will know Snow’s true story until it plays out.  The Land of Untold Stories paused many stories.  Snow’s sleeping curse paused her story and then her transport to Storybrooke paused her story.  She has not permanently returned to the Enchanted Forest for the rest of her story to play out.

How did she become Snow White?  If Evil isn’t born but rather it is made…then what about Good?  If the Evil Queen can start out as someone as beautiful, loving and giving as Regina…is it not possible that Snow White could have started out as something much darker?

We recently had a flashback of Mary Margaret where she found and plucked a flower that contained Pixie dust and that flower woke David.  Mary Margaret was wearing black and white and dressed nothing like the Mary Margaret we saw in Season 1.  There are many hints as to the passage of time after Emma arrives…strange changes in cell phone technology etc.  We see things in Season 1, especially in the last episode of Season One when Rumple enchants the ring and Charming goes and kisses Snow in the coffin.  Rumple’s clothes are in deplorable tatters.  Obviously something has happened but it is not ever explained.  In the time travel episode where we revisit the scene where Snow and Charming meet if you compare the two episodes there are obvious changes of lengths of the soldier’s capes..facial hair…and even the seat of the carriage where the jewel pouch is placed…one is smooth and new the other is tattered and faded.

What do I think?  I think many people have been trying to manipulate this story to bring about their own personal desired ending.  Has Snow been one of them?

In the last episode of Season One watch Henry’s monitor…as soon as Snow touches him the numbers begin to plummet…and Henry codes.  Whale yells to get her OUT!  I’ve listed above the devastating losses of those who are close to Snow White.   The fastest way to lose someone is to be close to her. It is like she is Ground Zero for disaster.

She had Dark Fairy dust way back in Season 1.  She knows all about Trolls and Ogres.

Emma broke the curse but almost as soon as it happened a new magic flooded the land…magic that came from Charming and Snow’s entwined hair which had been placed in a vial becoming magic and then incubated inside a dragon.  That vial of “true love” resembled strands of DNA.  Who knows what genes are in those entwined hairs.  Who knows what type of magic and how magic was influenced by their DNA.  Perhaps the new magic brought to Storybrooke was the reason if the line was crossed the only memories left were the cursed memories.  People have assumed it was residual to the original curse.  I don’t think so…I think it has everything to do with the seed of their magic. Neither Snow nor Charming have magic…but what if something is there…recessive…dormant and it is awakened and brought to life?  This is just one possibility…but whatever…there is something going on the the magic smoke created from their DNA.

When Dr. Whale delivered little Prince Neal, Mary Margaret said he made a comment about her having a strong placenta.  The placenta allows nutrients and oxygen to be exchanged between baby and mom but it also acts as a barrier.  It is such an interesting comment almost as if Mary Margaret was a threat to her own baby but her strong placenta served as protection.

The egg theory is a crackpot theory that borders on insanity…but it is fun to speculate and that is what discussion boards are for.  If there was borrowing or stealing or selling of eggs or DNA I think it would be magical and not science.

I don’t know if anyone has ever noticed the weird little things in people’s hair but after creepy Greg (named after the DNA guy by the way) made the comment that the town was lousy with magic I started looking in people’s hair to see what I could find.  There is lots of creepy stuff if you take the time to look.  Some look like bugs…some like snakes…really creepy and gross.  Did that come in with the  new Snow/Charming “true love” seeded magic?  Is it just a  nod to getting us to think about the DNA in the hairs of Charming and Snow…recessive genes can join up and create interesting defects.  And then there is Lily with her dragon scale…wanting to find her dad.  I just keep thinking about Charming shoving that golden egg with his DNA into Maleficent while she was in dragon form.  I’m not saying it is David…but it is a nod to something.

I say all of this to make the point that end game has been known by these writers since the beginning of the series.  We have not been watching the story we think we have been watching.  Yes..it is the story and it is real but there is another layer that we haven’t seen.

When Snow and Charming go to see Rumple in the Pilot episode he never refers to Emma as their child….he say “the” child…not “your” child.  I do not know what significance this has but it is consistent in the scene…never once does he say your.   Yes…Emma and Snow are daughter and Mother and Snow gave birth to Emma but we had Ingrid who wanted to made her niece her sister and her adopted foster daughter Emma her sister.  Regina is Henry’s adopted mom and his great-grandmother.  Pan and Henry went flying together and were Great Grandfather and Great Grandson but yet the same age.  Could Emma and Snow be both Mother/Daughter and Sisters?  On this show anything is possible.  That doesn’t mean they are or that even this is my ultimate theory…but I’ve never quite gotten the whole introduction to the nod to Gregor Mendel…the father of genetics.  Perhaps it took writing many versions of the story to get the right genes to match up.  The most recently released book, Regina Rising, which is canon, states several times that young Snow has BROWN eyes.  Yet, Snow’s eyes are Hazel Green.  Yes…somehow she evolved…and I believe it is because her story has been written and rewritten or some twist of something dark made the darkness gray and then finally white.  Once the clock went tick….it started to gray again…and the blackness has started to return.

edited to add:  It might be a funny flash-sideways to see Rumple putting the hairs of  multiple couples who have “true love” together and creating monster after monster after monster until he finally bottles “true love.”

What are the genetic odds of  Rumple creating true love out of Charming and Snow’s hair…one pluck and Boom…true love.  Maybe it took a lot longer to get the right hairs to wrap and twine, chime and glow.  What are the odds of getting the Savior  baby Emma on the first try? Perhaps it was just one try but  I’d like to see all of these odds mathematically worked out.  What are the odds?  Good question.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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