Was someone watching Emma & Walsh?

[kfchimera]

I just had this thought in chat, but what if the scene  is hinting that someone has the “Mirror Spying” that Regina once did, and is using it in the real world to spy on Emma? Like Zelena!

[TheGoldenKey]

In the Witches of Oz didn’t Christopher Lloyd, who played the Wizard, appear as a cab driver?  Trying to remember but I somehow think that’s how he kept track of Dorothy in NY plus it was a nod to his old series Taxi.

Keeper of Pandora's Box & The Yellow Brick Road.

[RumplesGirl]

I just had this thought in chat, but what if the scene is hinting that someone has the “Mirror Spying” that Regina once did, and is using it in the real world to spy on Emma? Like Zelena!

It fits with WickedSisters. the WW is doing everything Regina used to do

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[Phee]

If August is not involved with Walsh then the only reason I can think of for adding in the line about him being a furniture salesman is that a lot of furniture is made from wood and he’s a monkey.

Wood = Tree = Monkey?

I think he’s a furniture maker, as in someone who works with wood. Right now I’m all but convinced that he used to be the Tin Woodsman. If so, and if we’re not completely off track with someone spying on them, it could perhaps be the Lion or the Scarecrow.

[RumplesGirl]

RumplesGirl wrote:

If August is not involved with Walsh then the only reason I can think of for adding in the line about him being a furniture salesman is that a lot of furniture is made from wood and he’s a monkey. Wood = Tree = Monkey?

I think he’s a furniture maker, as in someone who works with wood. Right now I’m all but convinced that he used to be the Tin Woodsman. If so, and if we’re not completely off track with someone spying on them, it could perhaps be the Lion or the Scarecrow.

i really love the idea of him being the Tin Man

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[TheWatcher]

RumplesGirl wrote:

If August is not involved with Walsh then the only reason I can think of for adding in the line about him being a furniture salesman is that a lot of furniture is made from wood and he’s a monkey. Wood = Tree = Monkey?

I think he’s a furniture maker, as in someone who works with wood. Right now I’m all but convinced that he used to be the Tin Woodsman. If so, and if we’re not completely off track with someone spying on them, it could perhaps be the Lion or the Scarecrow.

Makes sense. The Wicked Witch if the East is responsible for the Tin Woodsman becoming tin to keep him away from his love. I said on a different post that perhaps Walsh needed someone to marry him in order to break his whole flying monkey ailment, so maybe that could all fit in together somehow

"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
Keeper Of Tamara's Taser , Jafar's Staff, Kitsis’s Glasses , Ariel’s Tail, Dopey's Hat , Peter Pan’s Shadow, Outfit, & Pied Cloak,Red Queen's Castle, White Rabbit's Power To World Hop, Zelena's BroomStick, & ALL MAGIC

[runaroundmacy]

I’ve been mulling over this observation for a week or so and just did a rewatch of the first two episodes and I had some interesting discoveries. Mirrors have been in prominent shots for both episodes, either obviously used or in the background:

 

– Obviously, the shot of Emma in the rearview mirror.

– The shot of Emma entering her apartment, showing a mirror image.

– Zelena has been shot multiple times from behind with her reflection being the main focus of the shot

– Regina in “Witch Hunt” was shot the same way during her conversation with Robin about the sleeping curse

– There is a large mirror hanging over the fireplace in Granny’s during “Witch Hunt”, when the Charmings, Hook and Emma are discussing what is happening in the town

– There is a large mirror in the background in Regina’s office when she is trying to replicate the potion. When she throws the potion it is directly at the mirror. Also, this is in the background as Regina and Emma are discussing their plan to “smoke out the perp”.

– There are mirrors in the background of Mary Margaret’s apartment when Emma brings Regina to introduce her to Henry

– Not shot with reflections, but there of course is the rearview mirror in the shot of Emma and Regina on the stakeout. (this one may be a stretch, but I’ll include it anyway)

– In the promo for “The Tower”, we see another shot of the hooded figure in a rearview mirror.

– Thus far, the writers are clearly showing us parallels from Season 1, in some cases characters and storyline are mirror images of eachother! Emma and Regina, and Rumple and Neal are the most obvious. (this was noticed by Cinders in many posts)

 

Now, this could easily be Zelena using mirrors as Regina did, to spy on people. But, Keb commented recently in another thread, that in the OZ books, Princess Ozma was trapped in mirrors, and in “Return to Oz” she could leave the mirror for short periods of time. If I remember correctly, in the beginning of the movie, she escaped briefly to save Dorothy from electro-shock therapy and send her back on her way to Oz (you don’t realize it’s Ozma until the end of the movie). Could this be Neal’s fate? Or could someone else be watching that we don’t know yet? I do think it’s most likely Zelena, but it would be an interesting storyline, and parallel Charming trapped in the mirror from Season 1.

 

I also noticed that in shots in Storybrook where Zelena is shown all sneaky there is water involved:

 

– In the town hall scene before we see Zelena, there are many pitchers and glasses of water. This was deliberately in focus throughout the scene.

– In Granny’s, Mary Margaret has a glass of water on the table before Zelena comes to talk to her.

– She brings Rumple water and food.

– She makes David and Mary Margaret tea in their apartment in the promo for “Witch Hunt” and there is a shot of her reflection in it.

 

Don’t know if any of these will actually mean anything in the long run, but I did think they were worth noting, considering the more I looked the more I saw them everywhere. I won’t be surprised to find out that there are more instances of mirrors popping up and being relevant to the rest of the season, literally and symbolically.

Keeper of the Cheshire Cat’s smile, Baelfire’s sword, Snow’s backpack, Robin Hood’s bow, Ariel’s purse, Ariel’s smile, Henry’s heart, Belle’s shoe collection

[Cinders]

Runaroundmacy, you are a wonderful example of why I love these forums so much.

I never noticed how often mirrors were used. I really need to rewatch. I’ve seen others mention mirrors being used, but not to the extent that you have.

And the water..I never noticed that either. Maybe it’s another way to reflections. This seasons camera angles have been so interesting.

Reflections, mirror images, one persons actions mirroring someone else’s actions, reversal of roles. It’s all so very interesting to watch it evolve.

It would be wonderful to learn in one of the final episodes that there really is someone else watching through reflected images. A new big bad for season 4.

[runaroundmacy]

Runaroundmacy, you are a wonderful example of why I love these forums so much. I never noticed how often mirrors were used. I really need to rewatch. I’ve seen others mention mirrors being used, but not to the extent that you have. And the water..I never noticed that either. Maybe it’s another way to reflections. This seasons camera angles have been so interesting. Reflections, mirror images, one persons actions mirroring someone else’s actions, reversal of roles. It’s all so very interesting to watch it evolve. It would be wonderful to learn in one of the final episodes that there really is someone else watching through reflected images. A new big bad for season 4.

Well, aren’t you sweet! But I will give credit where it’s due: Kranen noticed the first mirror shot, and you noticed the mirroring of the characters. I just took the time to watch the episodes and look specifically for mirrors. Keb mentioned Ozma, and I *know* someone else mentioned the water thing in passing in some other thread, I just noticed more instances of it. I kind of feel like this is a culmination of a lot of people’s thoughts and theories. I do feel like there is more to it than just symbolism, which could be a new big bad, the wizard watching, someone trapped in a mirror, or just Zelena watching. I will say I would rather that someone has been watching over all these events, and even Zelena won’t know about it. I also don’t think water is going to do *anything* to Zelena except make her annoyed that someone messed up her hair and makeup.

 

Keeper of the Cheshire Cat’s smile, Baelfire’s sword, Snow’s backpack, Robin Hood’s bow, Ariel’s purse, Ariel’s smile, Henry’s heart, Belle’s shoe collection

[Cinders]

I really really really hope someone at least tries the water on the wicked witch trick. Just too obviously funny to pass up. I’d love to see Zelenas reaction and the reaction of whoever was brave enough to throw water at her. Obviously it won’t work on her.

I also hope that if someone really is watching through, the mirrors, that it’s someone good, like Ozma or Glinda.

I’ve never read the Oz books, so thank you to Keb and others for their insight to the original Oz characters.

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