Wendy and Bae’s Timeline does not add up.

[TheGoldenKey]

@playarita wrote:

Also it says 6 months later but 6 months after what? It could be landed in Neverland but met Hook, might not have liked Peter’s approach and left. It was then 6 months later we find him in the Darling household and then Peter sets his eyes on Wendy.

You’re absolutely right! We are assuming it’s 6 months after he landed from the vortex from the way the put that promo together. It could very well be 6 months after he left Neverland. 😀

[Myril]

Already brought it up in the promo topic, but throw it into the discussion here too. What if Wendy’s London is not our historical London but the London of another storybook world, the world of the Darlings, Oliver Twist, Mary Poppins? Of course that nevertheless raises the question of time, but not of time travel, “only” of time being different in different (storybook) worlds. We already have the headache, how the stories came into our world and became our known fairy tales if they happened not hundred of years ago but only a few decades ago, so just a tiny bit adding to support these headaches.

It’s just that I remember to have heard K&H said in some interview, that there was no time travel. Unfortunately don’t remember exactly in which interview they said it, it was in connection with talking about the Jefferson’s hat (if I find it again, will let you know).

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[TheGoldenKey]

@myril wrote:

Already brought it up in the promo topic, but throw it into the discussion here too. What if Wendy’s London is not our historical London but the London of another storybook world, the world of the Darlings, Oliver Twist, Mary Poppins? Of course that nevertheless raises the question of time, but not of time travel, “only” of time being different in different (storybook) worlds. We already have the headache, how the stories came into our world and became our known fairy tales if they happened not hundred of years ago but only a few decades ago, so just a tiny bit adding to support these headaches.

It’s just that I remember to have heard K&H said in some interview, that there was no time travel. Unfortunately don’t remember exactly in which interview they said it, it was in connection with talking about the Jefferson’s hat (if I find it again, will let you know).

I like that train of thought. If turn of the century London was part of the Land Without Colour (which I think consists of all gothic novels) then perhaps its time does work differently than ours. Bae’s six months there could easily equate to one full year here thus turning 113 years to 226 years. Close enough in my mind to 250.

Good call Myril. 😀

Keeper of Pandora's Box & The Yellow Brick Road.

[Phee]

I’ve been trying to find the interview where K&H made mention of a fictional London-esque place as opposed to actual real world London. I did find a couple of posts where we mention it, but there’s no link to the actual interview in the thread, which is slightly infuriating. It appears to have been something they said at Paley though. These posts were on March 4th…
@RumplesGirl wrote:

@Phee wrote:

The way they said it, Wendy may not necessarily be from our world, if I understood them right?

Yeah the answer to that question left it very open. So maybe there is a Fairy Tale London lie a Fairytale China (Mulan).

@Swanning-Off wrote:

the writers’ answer at Paleyfest was very cryptic. Dr Frankenstein is from Switzerland… or is he? Wendy flew out of a window in London, or a storytale London?

Will be interesting to see if there is StoryLondon if Alice and Wendy are both there.

[MatthewPaul]

I am on board with the idea of the London depicted in Peter Pan not being the same London as the real world. It works with Neal’s comment that our world wasn’t his first stop, and it makes things less confusing. The London portion of Peter Pan was fictional too, so why wouldn’t it be its’ own world? The concept of these classic stories being a hybrid between real world and fictional settings would make my head spin for many reasons. If another realm exists for Frankenstein’s Switzerland and Mulan’s China, then London isn’t out of the question. Like the real London, it would be another Land Without Magic too. The bigger question, though, is how Baelfire got from Neverland to our world and why?

[Phee]

@MatthewPaul wrote:

The London portion of Peter Pan was fictional too, so why wouldn’t it be its’ own world? The concept of these classic stories being a hybrid between real world and fictional settings would make my head spin for many reasons.

This is something I’ve often wondered about, because the fact that all of these stories somehow made their way into our world means there must be a connection of some sort between the “fictional” worlds and our world. So characters like the Darlings, and Alice, and Dorothy being actual real world people from real world places who got wrapped up in adventures in magical lands doesn’t seem out of the question IMO.

But if this place we see Bae in is actual real world London, then it means Neal straight up lied to Emma, (and through Neal, K&H straight up lied to the viewers), that our world wasn’t the first one he went to. For that reason, I’ve gotta think that what we’ve seen in the previews isn’t real world London.

[MatthewPaul]

@Phee wrote:

@MatthewPaul wrote:

The London portion of Peter Pan was fictional too, so why wouldn’t it be its’ own world? The concept of these classic stories being a hybrid between real world and fictional settings would make my head spin for many reasons.

This is something I’ve often wondered about, because the fact that all of these stories somehow made their way into our world means there must be a connection of some sort between the “fictional” worlds and our world. So characters like the Darlings, and Alice, and Dorothy being actual real world people from real world places who got wrapped up in adventures in magical lands doesn’t seem out of the question IMO.

But if this place we see Bae in is actual real world London, then it means Neal straight up lied to Emma, (and through Neal, K&H straight up lied to the viewers), that our world wasn’t the first one he went to. For that reason, I’ve gotta think that what we’ve seen in the previews isn’t real world London.

If Bae really did go to London first, then that at least clears up the confusion for why the bean wouldn’t have sent him to his planned destination. That was a particular issue I had back when it was revealed that Neal had been to Neverland. Of course now this could lead to another frustrating question! All answers leading to more questions seems to be a trend on this show!

[Phee]

I know that a lot of people were annoyed by the idea that the bean sent him to a world with magic instead of a world without magic like Blue said it would.

Even if he goes to FictionalLondon and that’s another world without magic, (making Blue’s words true), that world is still connected somehow to at least one magical land, as evidenced by the ShadowyWhateverPanThing that’s flying Wendy out the window to NL.

Assuming that Bae comes to our world from NL at some point to stay here, that means that our non-magical world has a connection there too.

Our non-magical world was also accessible from FTL, or the SBers never could have ended up here.

Can a world truly be “without magic” if it’s possible to cross over between it and another world?

[RumplesGirl]

Ok briefly scanned through everyone’s posts. I think it’s interesting that while it did say “6 months later” it did not indicate WHERE Bae was. It clearly looks like London and with Wendy Darling, it would make the most sense. But they could have relocated Wendy to some other place. Dr. Frankenstein doesn’t exist in our historical Germany/Bavaria, he exists in the fictional land without color. Mulan doesn’t come from historical China, but she comes from mythic China. So the same could be said of Wendy, she’s from FictonalLondon (I like the term, Phee) where everything is the same as our London except it’s inhabited by the fictional characters of Barie’s world.

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[Keb]

And, actually, Frankenstein’s Land Without Color is a really good parallel–especially as his timeline seems to match up with Jefferson/Regina pretty well. And that means that his “past” time actually isn’t that far in the past. Which means that AltLondon could easily be a century earlier and still have the trappings of our later London.

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