Wendy and Bae’s Timeline does not add up.

[RumplesGirl]

I have a feeling they’re trying to say that he’s not time-travelling all over the place whenever he please. That he went here, then here, then here, but that first trip through the portal was through “time and space” and he landed a long way down the linear timeline so jumped from point A to point B but is still going in a straight line.

There are a few things we’ve seen that jumps around but I think the point was that overall it’s a straight line, at least in regards to Bae’s journey. He just….skipped a massive amount of time going through that vortex (hopefully none of the other beans cause massive time jumps – I don’t think they do since Hook & Cora were able to follow Snow & Emma quickly though, just saying that was one massive time jump).

I like that. Bae jumps forward in time to the 1900s in London, but his time after that is linear. It’s like he jumps time again when he goes to NL and when he comes back to our world, he’s been gone so long that it’s now 1991.

[sedorna]

I was just wondering how time passes in Never Land. From what Wendy said, it passes differently, but she didn’t say *how* differently.

I can see at least two possibilities. One, no matter how much time passes in Never Land, you always return the morning after you left. You spent one day or a million epochs, you still return the morning after you left.

Two, it simply passes much more slowly than our Earth. And, if the latter is true, how many years was Baelfire in NL in order to go to to the late twentieth century after he manages to leave NL?

[sedorna]

@RumplesGirl wrote:

I like that. Bae jumps forward in time to the 1900s in London, but his time after that is linear. It’s like he jumps time again when he goes to NL and when he comes back to our world, he’s been gone so long that it’s now 1991.

I have another “theory” about why Baelfire apparently jumped forward in time to 1900s London. I would like to state in advance that no fictional characters were harmed in the creation of this “theory”, despite all appearances.

Bae is Alice, from Alice in Wonderland. See, when Alice first fell down the rabbit hole, it took so long for her to reach the bottom, she actually became somewhat bored. So, Baelfire was simply falling for the couple hundred years. Yes, that must be it. And…er…he didn’t need food or to relieve himself or anything like that. Perfectly logical! 😀

[RumplesGirl]

Ok, I like the falling for a couple hundred years. Vortexes are odd, they can play with that idea.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[swanning-off]

I don’t see the inconsistency at all with the timelines. I quote from Wendy “time passes differently then”.

It’s the standard fairytale/cross over realm type cliche – Narnia, Neverland etc. Time moves at different speeds in different lands. So there is no inconsistency with something like this (fingers crossed for formatting!):

year X: Rumple and Bae at the portal.

About 5 years after X (??) Milah and Killian Jones return to port, Milah killed by Rumple, Jones becomes Hook & goes to Neverland

Undefined period of time passes, Hook in Neverland, not getting any older; Rumple in the Enchanted Forest, figuring out his curse

Year X: Bae pops out in London. “Years” have passed, but not for him

6 months after X: Bae meets Wendy
6 months 2 weeks: Bae adopted by Darlings
indeterminate period of time: Wendy goes with Shadow, returns
Next night: Bae defends Michael from Shadow, goes in his place, freaks out ShadowPan with fire and falls into ocean, where he is…..

… rescued by Hook.

It does work, it just requires you to suspend disbelief. And frankly, we’re dealing with a show in which Snow White and Prince Charming are running around doing battle against the Evil Queen and Rumplestiltskin, where giants can become normal sized, magic beans turn into portals and the seven dwarves are your go-to people for hard yakka….. exactly when did you stop suspending disbelief in order to nit pick the timeline????

EDIT: formatting didn’t work 🙁 Imagine the blue text is aligned to the right of screen, purple text to left.

[Daniel J. Lewis]

(I’m jumping in late.)

Keep in mind that Rumple’s being 300 years old was something said outside of the show. Even the press release for this episode said Bae went to 19th century England. That’s the 1800s, so it could be 113–213 years ago.

I now think that time between Enchanted Forest and our world is entirely parallel. (I’ll post separately about time and Neverland.)

[RumplesGirl]

(I’m jumping in late.)

lol. Please tell me you read the last three pages at least. It’s threads like this that have some of us refusing to use the “t-word”

Keep in mind that Rumple’s being 300 years old was something said outside of the show. Even the press release for this episode said Bae went to 19th century England. That’s the 1800s, so it could be 113–213 years ago.

If it was the 1800s then it HAS to be past 1853 because of the appearance of Big Ben which was finished in 1858. PP was written around 1900 and the clothes of the Darling family looked very end of the century.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[shack1212]

Can’t it just be explained by never aging in Neverland? Bae could spend 150 years in Neverland and remain 14. Then when he somehow gets out, he goes to Earth and ages from 14 to whatever age Neal is now.

In regards to the timeline. Let’s say Baelfire and Emma meet around the year 2000 and Baelfire comes to Earth at around 1990 as a 14 year old, then aging 10 years before meeting Emma. If the London scenes are around 1902-1904 which is where Peter Pan is set, that gives a good 85-90 years to make up for. Wendy’s conversation implies time moves differently in Neverland. Using the number 150 years for Baelfire and 85-90 between when he gets back to Earth, it’d indicate 60% a day on Earth is a full day on Neverland. This makes sense because she left Earth for the night, but her conversation with Baelfire felt like she’d been there roughly a full day and night, although she didn’t confirm that.

[RumplesGirl]

To make matters more complicated. Lots of us thought the London we saw was FictionalLondon, but turns out: nope!

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[Keb]

I have a feeling that at some point I’m going to have to adjust a LOT of the years on the timeline for various reasons. And a lot of the stuff seems to be much tighter that it initially appeared to be. When Bobby said that Rumple was 300, it was pretty early in the series, wasn’t it? They didn’t yet have the Neverland stuff in order then. More troubling is Neal’s comment about being a couple hundred years old, since even 1858 (and the clothes could work for 1858–fashion’s a lot more fluid, than we usually assume) puts him at only 169 years old in 2013 (assuming that he’s then born in Earth Year 1844, 14 years before Big Ben is completed, and comes through the portal the same time he left–and if not, wth, cuz the other portals we’ve seen have been instant). Of course, 169 is still pretty old, and still puts Rumple at over 200 (I assume he was about 35 when Bae was born, for various reasons), but just barely. It does hurt my poor timelining head though.

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