Wetpaint/Hook and Bae

[Slurpeez]

@lilysmom wrote:

What if Bae is not the one who lets slip the information about the weapon to Hook anyway? I honestly do not see Bae doing that even in a weak moment. However I could see him telling someone he trusts completely and then they tell Hook.

That’s a possibility. Perhaps Baelfire told Tinkerbell about the dagger, and she divulged that information to Hook in a moment in weakness. We know Tink isn’t the most reliable secret-keeper, since she divulged the location of Peter’s hideout to Hook in the cartoon version.

More than ever, I’m now of the opinion that Baelfire wasn’t the only one who knew about the dagger. One of Hordor’s men might have survived and known about the Dark One’s dagger, and that information became more widely known than Rumple initially believed. Maybe Honora, the mute maid, drew a picture of the dagger before Rumple murdered her. We saw August had a picture of the dagger in The Return. How did he come by that knowledge/picture in the first place? Maybe the Blue Fairy. Maybe the author of Henry’s book. We know now Baelfire and Rumple were included in that storybook, so Henry probably read about the dagger and told Emma, David, Snow White about it. Also, Regina and Cora also all knew all about the dagger and how it worked. There are just so many possibilities.

ETA: After listening to the in-depth podcast of “Evil Queen” I realize Daniel made a good point. Did Captain Hook know Maleficent? He recognized her, even though she was undead. Hook said, “Love you in earth tones.” So, just maybe, after Hook arrived back in the EF from NL, Maleficent is the one who tipped Hook off about the Dark One’s dagger and let him know where to find Belle.

[Phee]

@slurpeez108 wrote:

@lilysmom wrote:

What if Bae is not the one who lets slip the information about the weapon to Hook anyway? I honestly do not see Bae doing that even in a weak moment. However I could see him telling someone he trusts completely and then they tell Hook.

That’s a possibility. Perhaps Baelfire told Tinkerbell about the dagger, and she divulged that information to Hook in a moment in weakness. We know Tink isn’t the most reliable secret-keeper, since she divulged the location of Peter’s hideout to Hook in the cartoon version.

That’s what I’ve been thinking, that Bae would have to confide at least some information in someone, and then they would be the one to let the info slip to Hook. Tink is a likely candidate, though now it also seems that he was probably close friends with Wendy.

ETA: After listening to the in-depth podcast of “Evil Queen” I realize Daniel made a good point. Did Captain Hook know Maleficent? He recognized her, even though she was undead. Hook said, “Love you in earth tones.” So, just maybe, after Hook arrived back in the EF from NL, Maleficent is the one who tipped Hook off about the Dark One’s dagger and let him know where to find Belle.

Works for me. Regina would have kept a tight lid on the fact that she had Belle, because she’d told Rumple that she was dead, and getting caught in that lie would not have boded well for her. If there’s one person she would tell, it would likely be her best frenemy. “OMG girlfriend, you won’t believe the EPIC scam I just pulled off against the freaking Dark One!”

And if Hook was traipsing around FTL trying to find out about a weapon to kill a powerful magical being, he’d probably try to hit up other powerful magical beings like Maleficent for info. He really did seem to recognise her very quickly. Oh, please let us get a flashback of Hook flirting with Maleficent! That would be delicious. Bet she can give as good as she gets.

[TheGoldenKey]

@Phee wrote:

ETA: After listening to the in-depth podcast of “Evil Queen” I realize Daniel made a good point. Did Captain Hook know Maleficent? He recognized her, even though she was undead. Hook said, “Love you in earth tones.” So, just maybe, after Hook arrived back in the EF from NL, Maleficent is the one who tipped Hook off about the Dark One’s dagger and let him know where to find Belle.

Works for me. Regina would have kept a tight lid on the fact that she had Belle, because she’d told Rumple that she was dead, and getting caught in that lie would not have boded well for her. If there’s one person she would tell, it would likely be her best frenemy. “OMG girlfriend, you won’t believe the EPIC scam I just pulled off against the freaking Dark One!”

And if Hook was traipsing around FTL trying to find out about a weapon to kill a powerful magical being, he’d probably try to hit up other powerful magical beings like Maleficent for info. He really did seem to recognise her very quickly. Oh, please let us get a flashback of Hook flirting with Maleficent! That would be delicious. Bet she can give as good as she gets.

Now we’re talking baby!!! LOL! Love, love, LOVE the idea that Maleficent was the third party involved that told Hook about the Belle and the magical weapon that could kill Rumple. I just can’t seem to see Bae doing it regardless of the circumstances.

What about time frames though? Hook showed up shortly before EQ cast the curse which means she had already confronted Maleficent and had taken it from her. Did EQ release Maleficent until she actually cast the curse or did she keep her tied up and imprisoned?

I’d really love to see it end up being Male. What a great back story that would make! 😀

Keeper of Pandora's Box & The Yellow Brick Road.

[Slurpeez]

@TheGoldenKey wrote:

Now we’re talking baby!!! LOL! Love, love, LOVE the idea that Maleficent was the third party involved that told Hook about the Belle and the magical weapon that could kill Rumple. I just can’t seem to see Bae doing it regardless of the circumstances.

What about time frames though? Hook showed up shortly before EQ cast the curse which means she had already confronted Maleficent and had taken it from her. Did EQ release Maleficent until she actually cast the curse or did she keep her tied up and imprisoned?I’d really love to see it end up being Male. What a great back story that would make! 😀

In my opinion, this theory makes the most sense (but it would, right?). 🙂 Re: time-frames: Either Regina had yet to aquire the dark curse because she was just contemplating her next move to take on her “frenemy,”or Regina had in fact already had her run-in with Maleficent by the time Hook showed up. If Regina had yet to confront Maleficent, then there’s no obstacle and Hook could have gotten the information he sought from Maleficent without any problem. This could have taken place in between the events of Regina showing up at Snow White’s wedding in the pilot (in which she declared her intent to cast the dark curse) and Regina’s actual confrontation with Maleficent in 1×2 “The Thing You Love Most” (in which she finally managed to acquire said curse).

Alternatively, if Regina had already acquired the scroll, then Hook showing up might have happened just after Regina confronted Maleficent in 1×2 but before she managed to kill Henry Sr at least 9 months later (since Snow had to get pregnant first and then have Emma 9 months later on Curse Day) . Even if Maleficent were locked up, Hook might have found away around some guards. He’s a pirate after all. Hook still could have spoken with Maleficent. Yet, maybe Regina didn’t even bother to imprison Malefient, believing herself the most powerful. In fact, Regina stealing the scroll could be what prompted Maleficent to divulge such valuable information to the Captain. Maleficent was dead-set against Regina casting the dark curse, since Maleficent said.

Don’t do this. This…curse. There are lines even we shouldn’t cross. All power comes with a price. Enacting it will take a terrible toll. It will leave an emptiness inside you. A void you will never be able to fill.

In a last-ditch effort to try and stop Regina, Maleficent may have sent Hook to free Belle, but also with the hope of getting Rumple’s dagger for herself. If Maleficent took the powers of the Dark One for herself, she could prevent Regina from casting the dark curse.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

[RumplesGirl]

This could have taken place in between the events of Regina showing up at Snow White’s wedding in the pilot (in which she declared her intent to cast the dark curse) and Regina’s actual confrontation with Maleficent in 1×2 “The Thing You Love Most” (in which she finally managed to acquire said curse).

We know there was about a year in between the wedding and the casting of the Curse. But we also know from “The Thing You Love Most” that Regina traded the Curse for the sleeping spell:

Evil Queen: Enough games. You know why I’m here. I need my curse back.

Maleficent: It’s not yours anymore. A deal’s a deal. I traded you my sleeping curse.

Evil Queen: Which failed. Undone by a simple kiss. Now please, return what’s mine.

But the events of the apple take place BEFORE the wedding, before the engagement even. Meaning Regina had the Curse before the events of the apple but traded it with Mal for the sleeping curse she put on the apple.
What does that now mean for the Mal/Hook theory?

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[Slurpeez]

@RumplesGirl wrote:

This could have taken place in between the events of Regina showing up at Snow White’s wedding in the pilot (in which she declared her intent to cast the dark curse) and Regina’s actual confrontation with Maleficent in 1×2 “The Thing You Love Most” (in which she finally managed to acquire said curse).

We know there was about a year in between the wedding and the casting of the Curse. But we also know from “The Thing You Love Most” that Regina traded the Curse for the sleeping spell:

Evil Queen: Enough games. You know why I’m here. I need my curse back.

Maleficent: It’s not yours anymore. A deal’s a deal. I traded you my sleeping curse.

Evil Queen: Which failed. Undone by a simple kiss. Now please, return what’s mine.

But the events of the apple take place BEFORE the wedding, before the engagement even. Meaning Regina had the Curse before the events of the apple but traded it with Mal for the sleeping curse she put on the apple.
What does that now mean for the Mal/Hook theory?

Ok. Here’s what I think happened in chronological order:
1) Rumple wrote the dark curse on a scroll.
2) Rumple gave the dark scroll to Regina.
3) Regina wasn’t ready for such a dire move. She traded the dark curse to Maleficent for her sleeping curse.
4) Regina used the sleeping curse to poison an apple.
5) Somehow the Blind Witch ended up with the poisoned apple. (We’ve yet to see that interaction between Blind Witch and Regina).
6) Regina sent Hansel and Gretel after the poisoned apple.
7) Regina captured Prince Charming as bait for Snow to willingly eat the poisoned apple.
8) Snow White fell under Maleficent’s sleeping curse
9) Rumple made a deal with Charming. Put a magic potion into Maleficent and get a magic ring which leads to true love.
10) Charming woke up Snow White and proposed marriage.
11) Snow and Charming secretly got married by Lancelot and then took back the kingdom from Regina and George.
12) Regina was banished. Regina was finally desperate enough, so Rumple prompted her to cast the dark curse.
13) Snow and Charming had a public wedding, and thereby united the kingdom.
14) Regina crashed the party and threatened everyone with the dark curse.
15) On Snow’s wedding night, Regina confronted Maleficent and got the dark curse.
16) Approximately 9 months later, Regina figured out how to cast the dark curse and did so.

I think there is still leeway in the timeline for Maleficent to have told Captain Hook about Belle and the dagger. She might have done so in between points 13 and 14. Alternatively, Maleficent could have told Hook between points 15 and 16.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

[RumplesGirl]

We know Hook met Regina for the first time days before the casting of the Curse, but he had obviously been in FTL before then, long enough to learn about Belle.

I think there is still leeway in the timeline for Maleficent to have told Captain Hook about Belle and the dagger. She might have done so in between points 13 and 14. Alternatively, Maleficent could have told Hook between points 15 and 16.

But he didn’t know about the dagger when he confronted Belle, just the rumors of such a weapon. Those pesky details alluded him. So, I think I agree that Mal told Hook about Belle and what she knew about the weapon capable of killing the Dark One but Cora told Hook about the specifics.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[TheGoldenKey]

Kudos to the 3 of you for really working that one out 🙂 Timelines all fall into place perfectly. I sure hope we see it play out this way as it just makes sense and leaves so much room for fun and games between EQ/Male/Hook. 🙂

Keeper of Pandora's Box & The Yellow Brick Road.

[kfchimera]

Since Mally is dead, my guess is we will only see the rest of the story play out if they can make it parallel to something else going on. It is too bad they killed her off–they had a great actress (maybe that was the problem…! All talented cast comes with a price….). Maybe the average viewer only cares about the “what happens next”–but I really love finding out more about what happened before too.

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

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