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What did Ingrid whisper in Rumple’s ear? What is the missing ingredient in order to “cleave” himself from the dagger?
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Emma….period.
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
The fact that Rumple said he could do it with pleasure suggests to me that it also allows him a measure of vengeance.
Ingrid needs Emma so I don’t think he’s going to harm Emma; Ingrid wouldn’t have suggested it. He’s also always slightly liked Emma & Henry (just feared the latter due to the prophecy and was happy to use the former as needed) so I think they’re safe from the intent atm. Plus Henry IS Nealfire’s son, and he did say “those I love” when he told DQ she wouldn’t be allowed to harm people, suggesting not JUST Belle.
But Hook or Regina? Oh, he’d take them out with twisted pleasure. I don’t see how killing Hook would satisfy the hat any–he’s not magic–unless it somehow uses Emma’s love for him to power things. But I could definitely see Rumple being pleased about a suggestion that would do in Hook.
And they haven’t played up Regina’s old rivalry with Rumple for a couple of seasons now (this season her entire storyline has pretty much been woe is me, Robin Hood loves me but he’s married), so I’m not sure they’ve set us up to return to that–but Regina’s sister and mother both did awful things to Rumple and Regina herself kept Belle captive for quite a long time as a weapon/insurance policy against him. So it would be easy for them to revive that (I theorize Regina’s only been safe because Belle made it clear that the promise she extracted went for intent as well as letter, and Rumple doesn’t break deals). And Regina DOES have powerful magic. That plotline would also require Regina’s friendship with Emma to come back into play.
They might also bring in another character, but right now, on balance, I’m thinking Regina is in serious danger.
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They might also bring in another character, but right now, on balance, I’m thinking Regina is in serious danger.
Not so fast…lest we forget the close bond Regina and Rumple have! Regina is the daughter Rumple was supposed to have with Cora, so she’s really like the daughter he never had. Yes she kept Belle locked away, but don’t forget, so did Rumple before he loved her. And he made Belle a slave before he loved her. Rumple’s bond with Regina is probably second to Belle, now since Neal’s unneeded/untimely passing. So Regina is in the clear…would he take her magic, probably, but due to spoilers we know that won’t happen. As for Emma…rumors are spreading he’s going to try and take her power…so it’s Emma everyone needs to be concerned about.
And another friendly reminder folks…the Mills Women lives only turned dark once they met Rumple! His “out of all the monsters I’ve made” speech he gave in tonight’s episode….he’s responsible for them, and I’m glad he’s acknowledged it. He trained all three Mills Women willingly, and it just so happened came back to bite him in the end.
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
Oh, please, WR. They’ve been rivals since their time in the Enchanted Forest, once Regina started acting like an Evil Queen. They were scoring little points against each other constantly at that point, and still in Storybrooke years later. He might once have seen her as the daughter he never had, but I’m pretty sure by the time Cora came back and smooched him he was positively revolted by the idea. If Regina had actually been his daughter (or if he really thought of her that way) he wouldn’t have made her into a monster. He would have found another way to get to Bae. Family matters to Rumple (though it’s not always sufficient to overcome his fears & desire for power that’s based in his fears).
He totally intended to kill Regina at the beginning of S1. She’s been safe because BELLE made him promise not to kill her. He even told Regina that she was safe from him because of that (but of course not from the wraith) (loopholes).
This is a man who toyed with eliminating his own grandson (I’m still convinced he wouldn’t have done it, but he sure came close to the edge). Regina was useful to him once; she no longer is. She’s an old rival who even now is using his grandson to manipulate him (he doesn’t know it, but that’s the dynamic of their relationship). She is most definitely not safe from Rumple if her death/hatting would give him the things he desires most.
What we know he wants:
–Belle in his life, safe & loving him (and he DOES love her even if things are strained atm)
–His son. There’s no way he’s stopped wanting to be with Baelfire just because of death. He even confides his deepest worries to his son’s tombstone.
–On at least one level, to be the man Belle and Bae wanted him to be.
–Contradictorally, vengeance on those who have wronged him or those he loves.
–Enough power that he doesn’t have to be afraid of anyone. His deepest fear is that he will go back to being that sniveling coward he was before he became the Dark One. He’s still a coward, and he knows it, but he’s so powerful that there are very few things, including death, that he actually has to fear, and fewer people. If he can eliminate the dagger’s power over him, then he doesn’t have to fear what Zelena did to him ever again; if he can do it and keep his power, he can go on believing he can protect what and who he loves no matter what.
So the question is, what in the world outside Storybrooke, will lead to the fulfillment of those desires? A way to conquer death and bring Baelfire back? Enough power that nobody can stop him? The chance to show Belle the world she’s always wanted to explore?
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Current theory: you need the heart of the thing you HATE most. This is to break the hold of the Dark One’s Curse, then it’s going to require something really big and vile.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Maybe Rumple will go after the Sorcerer him/herself. Maybe the Sorcerer created the hat and created the fact that the DO needs to remind attached to the dagger to keep him/her powers in check.
Nothing is impossible on OUAT. Everything has a way of repeating itself. Keeper of the Keeper tread: https://oncepodcast.com/forums/topic/official-keeper-thread-3/#post-217924
Theory on how Hook could be used:
Hook is being portrayed as Emma’s (new) True Love. Emma, True Love Incarnate, having True Love for someone could be twisted and used to fuel something magical, don’t you think?
And they’ve been playing up the rivalry between Hook and Rumple (but not the one between him and Regina) this season. They’ve also pointed out quite directly how Rumple uses love as a weapon.
It fits a lot of thematic elements so far in S4 for Hook to somehow be the key he needs.
Also, Ingrid wants Emma to herself, so she wouldn’t care in the slightest about telling Rumple to kill Hook. Regina, meanwhile, seems to be a side thought to Ingrid.
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Technically Belle isn’t as safe as some may think…All magic comes with a price, and for some reason…I think Belle’s going to be Rumple’s price to pay. Take it’s meaning however you will…but I think she’s going to be his price this time.
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
Oh, he’s definitely going to pay and Belle’s gonna get hurt. No question.
But he would not do something with intent to harm her; it will be a side effect (as his secret with the dagger has been).
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