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November 10, 2014 at 9:57 pm #289745SlurpeezParticipant
I think you could be on to something. Rumple isn’t the type to be evil for evil’s sake. He always has some goal in mind. For example, setting up the whole dark curse so that he can be reunited with Bae. We’re assuming Rumple’s reasoning for doing what he does is evil because we don’t know why he’s doing it, but what if it is like you say, he’s trying to free himself from the dagger but keep his power so that he could live out his natural life with Belle and see his son again. Peter Pan did say the line about being “reunited in death”.
Also, Neal told Emma and Rumple he’d be looking down on them from somewhere. So I’m inclined to think there is some sort of afterlife in this show. If that’s the case, and Rumple has simply grown world-weary, then maybe this entire arc could be salvaged.
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November 10, 2014 at 11:06 pm #289752PheeParticipantIf that’s the case, and Rumple has simply grown world-weary, then maybe this entire arc could be salvaged.
Agreed. I still won’t like the way he went about it, but at least there’d be a more layered and sacrificial motivation to why he’s doing it. Why he can’t just say to Belle, “There’s a way I can be rid of the Dark One curse, so we wouldn’t have to be burdened by the Dagger, so the world could be rid of this dark magic, so I could be mortal,” I dunno. That’s probably a thing she’d be all for helping with, and she’d probably help him find a way to do it without having to sacrifice anyone in the process. This whole thing could be used as a way to strengthen their relationship, instead of undermining it.
November 10, 2014 at 11:09 pm #289753SlurpeezParticipantAgreed. I still won’t like the way he went about it, but at least there’d be a more layered and sacrificial motivation to why he’s doing it. Why he can’t just say to Belle, “There’s a way I can be rid of the Dark One curse, so we wouldn’t have to be burdened by the Dagger, so the world could be rid of this dark magic, so I could be mortal,” I dunno. That’s probably a thing she’d be all for helping with, and she’d probably help him find a way to do it without having to sacrifice anyone in the process. This whole thing could be used as a way to strengthen their relationship, instead of undermining it.
The problem is the way Rumple is currently going about trying to sever himself from the dagger, even if it is ultimately for somewhat redeemable reasons. The means don’t always justify the ends. Belle would never approve of using the sorcerer’s hat to suck up people with power, especially since doing so could kill them. And Rumple probably knows Belle wouldn’t agree, so he hides it from her. She’d try TLK again, but that would strip him of all his power, which he doesn’t want and is afraid of.
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November 11, 2014 at 8:00 am #289768swanning-offParticipant“have you turned it off and then on again?”
November 11, 2014 at 10:41 am #289782PanTheManParticipantWhile I really hope she whispered sucking the Blue Fairy into the hat, my first instinct was Regina.
Really, really, really hope the writers start involving Blue Fairy more just to explain any and all motivations she’s had in all of this.
November 11, 2014 at 5:43 pm #289818PriceofMagicParticipantI think it could be blue fairy actually. She was filming recently.
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Keeper of FelixNovember 12, 2014 at 3:33 am #289844sherazadeParticipantI always saw Rumple’s relationship with Regina as a rivalry with a hint of mutual respect. I have some trouble believing that he’d consider it to be a “pleasure” to kill her. Hook seems more likely, considering their history (though I have no clue WHY killing/harming Hook would help him – Plot convenience fairy?).
Edit: I suppose it is possible that Ingrid is using Rumple, and told him to kill Hook, so she can have Emma all to herself.I’m hoping it’s Blue. Both because I enjoy thinking of her as the sneaky fairy (even if the writers might not have intended her to be), and because her death would explain why the main characters don’t go running to her with every magical problem they have. (Which is something that slightly bothers me now).
As for Rumple’s motivation, conquering the world does indeed seem way too shallow/weird for him to suddenly want to do. After his experience with Zelena, I can understand he wants to make sure no one can ever control him again. But maybe his desire runs deeper. (Wishful thinking coming up:) Perhaps this is a chance for the writers to finally go into the source of the Dark Curse. Maybe he wants vengeance on its creator? A vengeance that requires him to go beyond the borders of Storybrooke? Could the creator of his curse and the writer of the book be the same person?
November 12, 2014 at 4:02 am #289845GaultheriaParticipantRumpel became the Dark One so that nobody could abuse him, and now the most important person in his life has betrayed him. I think there’s at least a part of Rumpel that absolutely hates Belle right now. Kind of an Anakin and Padme situation — and we all know how that turned out — only this time the betrayal was real.
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November 12, 2014 at 9:28 am #289873KebParticipantI don’t think he could hate Belle. But there’s definitely some tension there–the way he said he could not deny the pleas of his beloved wife was dripping with it (and layers of meaning). And we’ve seen things cause him to treat her roughly/poorly before:
1. 112: She “betrays” him with TLK. He believes she was put up to it by Regina, yells at her, shakes her, imprisons her, sends her away. But he doesn’t hate her–you can see it’s killing him to choose power over her, that he almost believes her, and how eagerly he’d offer her a home if she needed it.
2. 201: She catches him in his untruth, and says she thought he’d changed. He sarcastically says, “What, in the hour you’ve known me?” She leaves–and he immediately apologizes, but later tells her she’s better off leaving him. (I think that statement may be the closest parallel to his statement in 407, actually.)
3. 211: She desperately wants to help him find Hook, and he wants to protect her from the pirate. He’s already on an emotional outburst at that point, but he does yell at her and demand she do things his way.
Her betrayal cut him deeply but he can’t even express that because her guilt cuts him worse–he knows he’s doing the wrong thing by lying to her. He gave her his forgiveness, but he doesn’t forgive easily. I think it definitely created a tension where the veneer of power balance was shattered in their marriage, and Rumple being Rumple, he can’t keep away a little bit of snark–and yet there is a double layer of truth to what he’s saying, too: without the dagger being involved, he’d still be inclined to listen to her just because he loves her, yet he now knows he CAN’T deny her because she’s crossed that line and shown herself capable of forcing him.
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November 12, 2014 at 10:18 am #289878sherazadeParticipantAnd to think Rumple had the perfect opportunity there to tell her he switched daggers… Seeing how Belle was feeling guilty for betraying his trust and controlling him with it she couldn’t very well have complained about his lack of trust. They could’ve just called it even, had a good cry about how untrustworthy/untrusting they both are and decide to play things straight from now on. Instead he chose to “forgive” her, rather than fessing up, and in doing so dug a deeper hole for himself. I suppose years of experience in making deals with people, didn’t do much to prepare him for an actual relationship.
Really, these two… I can only see this ending badly. And perhaps rightly so. Belle has been rather shortsighted lately (I used to like her!), and Rumple clearly can’t be content with the happy, quiet family life.
That being said, I don’t see Rumple EVER saying that it would be a pleasure to do anything that would harm Belle. (Even if he’d consider it, he wouldn’t be happy about it). Despite all their issues, they do love each other. Difficult and destructive though that love might currently be.
I’m going to stick with his target being Hook (though I wish it was Blue). -
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