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I’m not sure where this thread really fits, but here seem as good as any, since it’s kind of a character discussion of Regina and Rumple.
So Regina is being all diabolical and holding Belle in the secret insane asylum, right? Most likely to hold her over Rumple.
So my question is, what does she get from this? Can’t Rumple just say please and make Regina let Belle go? If the please can work everytime, doesn’t that mean that Regina had no free will and Rumple could completely dictate everything she does? Or do we think the please has limitations? Because I don’t see how having Belle is useful to her. Thoughts?[adrotate group="5"]I think that Rumpel probably has to be careful with his wording when he uses the please. Like he couldn’t just say give me Belle back please or Regina might give her back to him dead. Rumpel always messes with his wording when he makes his deals with people by giving them a bad deal by the wording. I think the same thing could happen to him with Regina.
@scaredcrow65 wrote:
I’m not sure where this thread really fits, but here seem as good as any, since it’s kind of a character discussion of Regina and Rumple.
So Regina is being all diabolical and holding Belle in the secret insane asylum, right? Most likely to hold her over Rumple.
So my question is, what does she get from this?Regina gets a pawn in her rivalry/war with Rumple. Remember, Regina is the only one who visits Belle in the asylum. She can condition that girl to believe anything. If her memory was altered like everyone else, then Regina could have Belle think Mr. Gold did something to her to cause her to need to be in the psych ward or have Belle think Mr. Gold put her there directly himself, like a relative abandoning a family member. Now, imagine if Gold asked Regina to ‘ please’ release Belle. Regina wouldn’t have to lift a finger against Gold.
Expect the unexpected, Accepted the unaccepted.
The please let Belle go will work if he only knew Regina had him. It is like any hostage situation. It never works out for the taker. Gold can never know where she is or who has custody of him. Yet, without Gold knowing about it makes Belle a useless pawn. The please throws the pawn thing out of play. I think she is going to escape. That is the only scenario that changes the game.
@charming wrote:
The please let Belle go will work if he only knew Regina had him. It is like any hostage situation. It never works out for the taker. Gold can never know where she is or who has custody of him. Yet, without Gold knowing about it makes Belle a useless pawn. The please throws the pawn thing out of play. I think she is going to escape. That is the only scenario that changes the game.
I agree. Escape seems to be the only plausible scenario for Belle. And I aslo think Mr. Gold’s please clause has its limits. To what extent are those limits? I’m not sure. But there’s a reason why Mr. Gold has yet to use his please clause for something substantial.
There seems to be no limit on the please except that he does use it sparingly. Whatever limits there are, are only limited to Gold’s rare use of it so far. It has been said that all magic comes at a price and it is not know what price is being paid.
It’s true, there is a number of things that can happen regarding Belle. It’s frustratingly difficult to pin down any one direction with what little we’ve been given.
As far as Gold’s use of please, it has been used sparingly. I wonder if the cost of this particular magic is to Gold’s own health. Has he been relying on the cane more in these later episodes as compared to earlier ones?
Expect the unexpected, Accepted the unaccepted.
Presumably, Regina kept Belle as a hostage in FTL (episode 12) before she made a deal with Rumpelstiltskin about the dark curse (episode 2). She didn’t realize that he would keep his memories of FTL when he came to SB. So, she thought the “please clause” would pretty much be null and void. Regina wasn’t banking on Rumpel actually remembering his FTL identity or that he’d be able to get whatever he wants just by saying the magic word “please.” That is Mr. Gold’s trump card. I think that if Mr. Gold ever finds out that Regina has Belle in SB, he could very well use the please clause. He would have to be very careful in his wording to specify that Regina hand over Belle unharmed and alive. Another possibility is that Mr. Gold could call upon Emma to retrieve Belle as the favor that she owes him.
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@slurpeez108 wrote:
Presumably, Regina kept Belle as a hostage in FTL (episode 12) before she made a deal with Rumpelstiltskin about the dark curse (episode 2). She didn’t realize that he would keep his memories of FTL when he came to SB. So, she thought the “please clause” would pretty much be null and void. Regina wasn’t banking on Rumpel actually remembering his FTL identity or that he’d be able to get whatever he wants just by saying the magic word “please.” That is Mr. Gold’s trump card. I think that if Mr. Gold ever finds out that Regina has Belle in SB, he could very well use the please clause. He would have to be very careful in his wording to specify that Regina hand over Belle unharmed and alive. Another possibility is that Mr. Gold could call upon Emma to retrieve Belle as the favor that she owes him.
Very good and interesting points. 😀 I also think that Mr. Gold’s favor from Emma will have something to do with Belle. Well, either Belle or Baelfire. 😀
I think Regina is using Belle as an insurance policy just incase the curse did get broken. If everyone remebered who they were, the likes of snow, charming, the dwarves, red, granny, etc would go against Regina and Regina would need all the allies she could muster. Rumpel would support the side that benefitted him most so Regina would need to have something that Rumpel wanted in order to get him to support her. That’s probably why she has Belle and is biding her time. However, if Belle were to escape, it would really set Regina on edge especially if she didn’t know whether Rumpel had seen Belle or not.
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