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I don’t understand why Emma even planned to use Henry’s tears though. I mean, she had no idea that Regina’s tears wouldn’t work. Why did she plan for it in advance? I would have understood if after taking the tear, the darkness rump showed up and told her it won’t work because such and such reason and then she decided that has to the violet heart thing and then during the ritual she “accidently” drops the bottle containing Regina’s tear and then Henry just so happens to show up at that point, wherein she takes his tear and sets merlin free.
It’s just all to convenient that this happened the way it did.
Oh I think Emma knew that Regina’s tear wouldn’t work, but she had to play dumb about it in order to keep her cover. She knew Henry would come crying to them, and she was using Regina’s tear as a distraction before hand. It was all about manipulation and timing.
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I don’t understand why Emma even planned to use Henry’s tears though. I mean, she had no idea that Regina’s tears wouldn’t work. Why did she plan for it in advance? I would have understood if after taking the tear, the darkness rump showed up and told her it won’t work because such and such reason and then she decided that has to the violet heart thing and then during the ritual she “accidently” drops the bottle containing Regina’s tear and then Henry just so happens to show up at that point, wherein she takes his tear and sets merlin free.
It’s just all to convenient that this happened the way it did.
We have been seeing less and less of Head!Rumple, as Dark Emma’s actions become more mysterious to watch. But of course he’s still there. It’s entirely possible that he DID tell Emma that it wouldn’t work, and we just didn’t see it. 🙂
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I seem to recall Regina taking a lost boy’s heart and using it for “a greater good” similar to the rationale of Emma using Violet’s heart to get Henry’s tears of lost love. In fact, I seem to recall Regina taking Belle’s heart (without Belle’s consent) just last season. So I don’t really get how Regina can say she has the moral high ground here. It’s not like Emma has crushed anyone’s heart (well, that we know of anyway). I’m not in any way making excuses for Emma, since what she did was sinister. However, the difference is that Emma is inhabited by a dark force which makes her more prone to deceive, almost against what she would otherwise have freely chosen were she not the dark one.
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I seem to recall Regina taking a lost boy’s heart and using it for “a greater good” similar to the rationale of Emma using Violet’s heart to get Henry’s tears of lost love. In fact, I seem to recall Regina taking Belle’s heart (without Belle’s consent) just last season. So I don’t really get how Regina can say she has the moral high ground here. It’s not like Emma has crushed anyone’s heart (well, that we know of anyway). I’m not in any way making excuses for Emma, since what she did was sinister. However, the difference is that Emma is inhabited by a dark force which makes her more prone to deceive, almost against what she would otherwise have freely chosen were she not the dark one.
I think what crossed the line for Regina was more so that Henry was the victim here. Emma took advantage of Henry’s emotions and manipulated Violet into breaking his heart. Emma did this all to her own son.
^ That’s a good point. From Regina’s perspective, nothing is as bad as hurting your own kid. Hurting someone else, anyone else, even if they trust you, will never be as bad in Regina’s eyes. Partly because of Cora, and also because it’s Henry and she doesn’t want her son to experience the same betrayal that she did.
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I seem to recall Regina taking a lost boy’s heart and using it for “a greater good” similar to the rationale of Emma using Violet’s heart to get Henry’s tears of lost love. In fact, I seem to recall Regina taking Belle’s heart (without Belle’s consent) just last season. So I don’t really get how Regina can say she has the moral high ground here. It’s not like Emma has crushed anyone’s heart (well, that we know of anyway). I’m not in any way making excuses for Emma, since what she did was sinister. However, the difference is that Emma is inhabited by a dark force which makes her more prone to deceive, almost against what she would otherwise have freely chosen were she not the dark one.
I think what crossed the line for Regina was more so that Henry was the victim here. Emma took advantage of Henry’s emotions and manipulated Violet into breaking his heart. Emma did this all to her own son.
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Exactly!!!! Regina is taking this so hard because she knows how it feels for your mother to manipulate your true love against you, hence Cora killed Daniel, Emma manipulated Violet…I’m quite sure seeing her son go through this with Emma brought back some terrible memories. Not to mention that Henry is their son, it’s a greater difference between using someone random and using your own child, especially when the child ends up as the victim.
The Dark One Curse might have influenced her, but like how a heart of darkness influenced Regina, Rumple, Hook, and every other villain, it was ultimately everyone’s choice in the end, and everyone chose to act on it.
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I think what crossed the line for Regina was more so that Henry was the victim here. Emma took advantage of Henry’s emotions and manipulated Violet into breaking his heart. Emma did this all to her own son.
From Regina’s view yes, I understand it’s totally problematic and appalling that Emma would do that to Henry of all people. Undoubtedly, it deeply hurt Regina to see Emma cause Henry pain by using Violet as a means to an end to get what Emma needed, but objectively speaking, Regina is guilty of using a child just as much as Emma is. While Henry is way more important to Regina than is that lost boy whose heart Regina took, that doesn’t mean that lost boy was any less worthy than Henry or Violet of being treated with dignity. So it seems a bit hypocritical in my estimation for Regina to scold Emma for doing something Regina herself has done to another child; just because the child that Regina used as a means to an end wasn’t Regina’s own child doesn’t mean that lost boy was any less worthy of being treated with respect dignity than was Henry’s girlfriend.
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It turns out that the terrible thing Emma did was rip out Violet’s heart and make the young girl break Henry’s heart so that Emma could have a tear to free Merlin. Is this a step too far for Ms Swan? Was it necessary or justified? Can Henry ever forgive Emma?
It was a horrible thing to do, but I don’t see that she had any other choice (as in, I don’t think it would have worked on any other couples because they would have smelled a rat and would not have been heart-broken) so I honestly think what she did was justified. Violet can always explain to Henry afterwards that she was manipulated by the the DO, so she and Henry can continue their friendship (no reason for long term heart break). Also, Emma tried to match-make them again by having the horse run away (and when does match making not involve a little bit of coaxing, persuading and manipulation?). The biggest loss would be Emma’s relationship with Regina, but given that he gave Regina chances in season 2, then he should give some to Emma, too.
As a side note, I am not enjoying Regina’s hypocracy over this issue. She has used children herself before, and for far less noble reasons, not to mention 10 years of gaslighting Henry.
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The biggest loss would be Emma’s relationship with Regina, but given that he gave Regina chances in season 2, then he should give some to Emma, too.While I do agree that Emma at least felt remorse enough to try to right her original wrong, it doesn’t change the fact that she arranged for her son’s first heartbreak, though I guess this could be used as a warning to Violet to never break Henry’s heart less she wants hers crushed.
And the “chances” he gave Regina in Season 2 were mere manipulations to get her to do a favor for him and the Charmings, afterwards he’d go back to his other mom and pretend he was never raised, cared for, and loved by the first one. And it would seem now that he’s giving the same treatment to Emma, hence Violet’s horse, prove to him she’s still good by doing him a favor. (Rolls eyes) Seasons 1-2 RegalBeliever+Emma is now Season 5 SwanBeliever+Regina. My, oh my, how we’ve come full circle.
As a side note, I am not enjoying Regina’s hypocracy over this issue. She has used children herself before, and for far less noble reasons, not to mention 10 years of gaslighting Henry.I don’t really see it as much as hypocrisy, I think Regina is just disappointed how far Emma has fallen, like what Emma did was something no one would have expected. She doesn’t want Emma to make the same mistakes she or Rumple made….
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And that “gaslighting” she did for ten years was waking up every two hours to feed Henry when he was a baby, dealing with every tantrum Henry gave her, changing Henry’s diapers, teaching him how to potty train, kissing his scraps, going to the hospital in the middle of the night when he got sick with flu or fever, nursing him back to health, nurturing and feeding him breakfast, comb his hair and getting him dressed while trying to get him to school on time, and loving that boy with every fiber in her being! She did all this as a single parent, with no help, while also running an entire town. And given the “good” example she had from Cora, she did a pretty excellent job given how Henry turned out in the end. Things only turned sour the second Henry learned he was adopted combined with the fact nothing changed in Storybrooke, thus began the whole “Regina doesn’t love me” & “I don’t belong here” rant he gave, and then that blasted storybook was just the icing on the cake for him. Sorry for the small rant, but I just had to get that off my chest because how much Season 1/2 Henry irked me for how he treated Regina after she literally would sink the sun and hang the moon for him.
But in the end Regina was only disappointed in Emma, she expected her to resist the darkness and its temptations, and to see the town’s only hope and Regina’s co-parent fall so far enough to arrange their son’s first heartbreak was enough for Regina to basically tell Emma that she was out of control.
So it seems a bit hypocritical in my estimation for Regina to scold Emma for doing something Regina herself has done to another child; just because the child that Regina used as a means to an end wasn’t Regina’s own child doesn’t mean that lost boy was any less worthy of being treated with respect dignity than was Henry’s girlfriend.There is a vast difference between abusing the one holding your child hostage, and abusing one’s own child. The Lost Boy was not only an accomplice in the kidnapping, but a threat to Regina’s son, and refused to co-operate willingly….Violet was a good girl manipulated/forced by Emma into breaking Henry’s heart…both are in their own way, immoral, but which one stands on the more moral high ground?
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