What happens with Milah?

[PriceofMagic]

@SpinningGold wrote:

@PriceofMagic wrote:

@SpinningGold wrote:

He had zero self-confidence from everyone calling him a coward all the time, including and especially her *is getting a bit worked up here* (And actually that is my issue against Belle, the fact that she sticks the knife a little deeper each time she calls him a coward. I like her, but I wish she’d stopped doing that)

I don’t think Belle calls Rumple a coward to deliberately stick the knife in. She truly loves him but there are times when he needs to be given a harsh dose of truth to make him see sense. Belle doesn’t call him a coward to belittle him like Milah did. In the crocodile, Belle gave Rumple ample opportunity be honest and tell her the truth about what he was doing and why he brought magic to Storybrooke. He didn’t and it caused a rift in their relationship. When he did eventually tell her the truth, they got back together and their relationship was stronger than it was before. A good relationship is built on a foundation of trust.

I’m not saying she is doing it deliberately to hurt him… but each time she does you see him clench up and retreat in his shell.He believes it when someobe calls him a coward, even more than the person who calls him that. It’s not helping him become a better man, instead it does the opposite. Get a clue, Belle, you are hurting the man you love!

Belle has only called Rumple a coward twice. Once in fairytale land in Skin Deep when he was throwing her out and the second time in the Crocodile when she said he was two cowardly to be honest with her. Twice in thirty years isn’t bad. Also Rumple admitted to Belle that he was a coward in the Crocodile. He knows it to be true but she has inspired him to change for the better.

[Keb]

Bae called him a coward once, too–at exactly the moment he was choosing magic over Bae.

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[nonnie]

@Andreth Stark wrote:

Maybe it is just me, (too much sympathy for Rumpelstiltskin) but there is something odd in Milah as a character.
So, i’m writing here what we know -and infere- about her and going to try to analyze the facts :S

1.- She was married to Rumpelstiltskin, apparently for love. In the escene on “Manhattan” in which he is called to front, is an inference that she is learning to embroider from him (“R: that was quick” M: I had the best teacher” -more or less) This makes me think… how did they meet? what sort of relationship they had? what leaded them to marry? was it love or convenience? was it a slow process of being fond one of another? infatuation?

I am thinking it was an arranged marriage…. she might have come from a poorer family or a family with too many girl children…. and the RUMPLE family might have given a dowry or excused a dowry. Arrange marriages were common in Europe during middle evil times and right up to closer to the 1900s… in some cultures they are still considered desirable.

2.- She was pregnant while he was at war… but he knows it through a seer. However, she says that news arrive soon from the front. so… how is it that Rumpelstiltskin didn’t know about his wife being pregnant? why didn’t she write him?

In mid evil times not too many people wrote or could read.. you went to the village scribe to send letters then someone had to read them to you …. IF YOU GOT THE LETTER AT ALL.

A woman might not know she was PG until she missed several periods. There were not PG test. Working women./ serfs/ peasants tended to be irregular because of poor diets, and stressful life style… that is why they often died young.

3.- She didn’t want her husband going to war. But she didn’t want his husband back home. Ok, i get it: people was saying that he was a coward, she was probably being bullied by her neighbors, but still… if few months before she was so sure he wasn’t a coward, and besides, she loved him, she should listen his reasons, let him explain what happened with the seer. Or, even being too mad at him, at least not saying that “i wish you were dead” stuff.

MIHLA was first and for most for HERSELF. She did not want the neighbors looking down on her or her son. She wanted to leave the village to go off to far off places, she wanted adventures but having the babies of a poor man now a “coward “does not get her that.

4.- She puts her son in his dad’s arms and leaves. Wow. I mean, what was that? some sort of Medea’s syndrome attitude? “he is your son, he remembers me of you, i don’t love him anymore,so i don’t love you either”?

5.- But no, since in “The crocodile” she seems ashamed when Bae calls her at the tavern. And still, she leaves him with his father.

6.- She runs away with Hook. ok, yes, she fall in love with him, true love,blablabla… but again…what about her son?

7.- She hides from her ex. She let her husband believe she was captured by pirates “because Hooks crew needed companionship”, and afterwards if the Dark One wouldn’t be riping Hook’s heart, she would let him believe she was death. what was she so afraid of? ok, i can understand she were afraid of post Dark one Rumpelstiltskin, but… the pre Dark One man? why did she just leave and hide?

8.- Despite all that coward attitude, she fights bravely for Hook’s life, for their love, etc… Even to the point of tell her ex. that she never loved him. was it true? was it a lie?

So, the point is, i’m a bit confused. Her personality, attitude and reactions change too much and so quick that i can not come to understand them as a whole, as part of her personality. Seem to be contradictory.
My conclusion would be that she is not an actual character, but a plot device. And still, it is not a good explanation. :S :S

I think her character is written to convey what is needed at the moment in the scene… just to get sympathy for Rumple and move the story along. LAZY WRITING. I think the writing is being pushed to move the stories along because the main criticism last year from critics is that the arks were too slow in unfolding.

Any thoughts?

JMO

Nonnie

[spinninggold]

@NONNIE wrote:

]I think her character is written to convey what is needed at the moment in the scene… just to get sympathy for Rumple and move the story along. LAZY WRITING. I think the writing is being pushed to move the stories along because the main criticism last year from critics is that the arks were too slow in unfolding.

Yes I think the writers AND actors could have done themselves an ENORMOUS service if they had added a mere 30 seconds of airtime to Milah’s story where we are shown her doubt in the marriage as Rumpel goes to war. It could have even have been conveyed in a mere glance. Now she seems to love him… Now it could just be that she saw Robert Carlyle and was overwhelmed by the lovely guy he is… we can’t blame a girl for that 😆 😆 😆 … But some doubt, resentment or hint of that she just married him for other reasons would have made the whole scene work. Just a hint to let the viewer know the 180 was coming.

[playarita]

@PriceofMagic wrote:

@SpinningGold wrote:

BTW if you can kill an ogre by shooting him in the eye, why are they fighting them with swords instead of arrows? It seems rather stupid to get close enough to be mauled.

Perhaps that is why so many lives were lost in the ogre wars? The soldiers weren’t given the correct equipment to fight with.

Which for me is what makes this whole thing really sketchy. Wars from then were probably fought in the same way the middle ages war were fought with first round of archers, then the army. It seems odd that in all of that time of fighting they wouldn’t have seen that arrows could skill ogres. Also if he was the only one to survive then how did news of his cowardice make it back to Milah. Couldn’t there have been an explanation of something where Rumpelstiltskin was not cut out to be a soldier and injured himself. Or they used him as a pariah for those who did not believe in the war or did not want to fight in the war. Rumple’s reason seemed to be due to his not wanting to have Bae grow up fatherless however others might have had other reasons. Then seeing how Rumple was treated could have prevented others from speaking out, acting in the same way etc.

There is definitely something more to the war. Something it did make me think of with how the leaders led the war was a scene in Braveheart where Longshacks uses the archers not caring there was his own men in the fray because it would hurt the enemies. It seems that those supporting or paying for the war had their own agenda and it didn’t matter who was involved (enemies or their own men). Some ideas is that the ogres had something either some sort of ancient magic, or treasure that the various kingdoms (the leaders) were vying after. Or these leaders instigated battles in enemy lands in the hope of weakening these neighboring kingdoms to cripple the government, the economy etc.

[swanning-off]

Someone in another thread mentioned the idea of post-partum depression. That’s not a bad idea. Her fears of their future, the taunts from the neighbours, being isolated in the village and alone…. Gives her time to mull over things incessantly and become bitter. That could explain her 180 in personality.

[spinninggold]

@Swanning-Off wrote:

Someone in another thread mentioned the idea of post-partum depression. That’s not a bad idea. Her fears of their future, the taunts from the neighbours, being isolated in the village and alone…. Gives her time to mull over things incessantly and become bitter. That could explain her 180 in personality.

That would have been me…Still, in 4 years(rough estimate looking at Bae) she should have gotten over that. And at best it is grasping at straws for the plot hole the writers left. I mean it is not a logical fitting reason in the story itself.

[Grimmsister]

Someone ‘played’ her- you know, pulled some strings to make their marriage fail. If Rumple had come home to a happy ever after situation, he might not have needed to become the dark one. Milah was a bent on the road to his downfall that needed stretching out so it wouldn’t become a problem.. down the road 😉 maybe…

[nod]

Maybe Milah was actually Cora ALL ALONG.

Sorry. My point is, we just don’t know. The writers could easily explain it away, and haven’t… yet? It might be lazy writing, or it might be an untold story. We just don’t have enough detail to figure it one way or another.

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