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I’m not at all ecstatic about Henry using profane language. Yes, I am aware that Jared S. Gilmore is 16, but he’s still a child by law and he should be honored as such. I don’t believe they’re honoring his innocence and purity as a child or have been especially with the whole Violet plot-line. Again, I am aware that the actor is 16 and they’re trying to portray their lives as closely as they can to be relatable to our lives, but at what cost? Mind you, Henry’s supposed to be 13, so are you saying it’s acceptable for a 13 year old to use profanity freely without rebukement, discipline or being reprimanded? I believe they have a responsibility to the viewers, especially the younger viewers, to portray these characters in a way that is relatable, but also for these characters to be moral examples because our children are watching these events and situations unfold and these stories, they are taking to heart and whatever is portrayed as ok or acceptable, they will deem as ok and acceptable and it is not ok for Henry to be romantically involved with Violet. He is too young. It is not ok for Henry to be using profanity. He is a child and should be honored as such. If they continue on this path, it will not be good for our children to partake in this. As adults, we must set a higher moral standard for our children to obtain and what’s currently being shown with Henry’s currently storylines and with Emma and Hook shacking up, it inappropriate no matter how you spin it. It’s morally wrong and unacceptable and should be seen as anything other than that, in my opinion. Everyone has the right to their own opinions and life choices, but for a show to be classified as a family show, to have glimpses of moral values and what is right and wrong and then portray other circumstances that are clearly wrong and immoral as right or acceptable is not ok, especially when it comes to children being raised up in this show. There should be a higher standard for morality in this show, and in my opinion, it seems that it’s declining by the season, by the episode, even. I hope they become more conscious of their audience and change things for the better. Thank you for all that you guys do for the podcast and the forums.
[adrotate group="5"]but he’s still a child by law and he should be honored as such
Well…there’s no law that says a teenager can’t use profanity.
And its not like the he was using it in a insulting manner. It was surprise. There’s no difference than if he had said “what the heck?” I don’t see how changing those two last letters suddenly make his words better or worse other than the taboo we attached to it. Everyone on the show has said it. Heck, even Harry Potter had Ron constantly saying “Bloody Hell” and he was just eleven. I just see that as an exclamation, not a “vulgar” word.
I guess this is something not everyone will agree on, and while I was surprised to hear Henry say that, I don’t see it as a big deal. He’s 13, afterall (is he really? I keep thinking the character should be older….) and I know a lot of 13 year olds aren’t as rainbow stickers and unicorn kisses as they are when their parents are watching. If the worst thing about Henry is that he said the word “hell” in a completely reasonable manner, then the kid is doing pretty well.
I don’t think this is going to corrupt kids anymore than Ron Weasley’s usage of bloody hell or Killian’s usage of it either. I don’t think its the worse thing this show has to offer in terms of morality (umm… ya know, like King Arthur using magic dust to get his wife to stay with him….and no one has done anything about that yet…or locking King George up in the mines to die…or Regina and Zelena both raping men…)
Idk. Just my opinion though.
"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
Keeper Of Tamara's Taser , Jafar's Staff, Kitsis’s Glasses , Ariel’s Tail, Dopey's Hat , Peter Pan’s Shadow, Outfit, & Pied Cloak,Red Queen's Castle, White Rabbit's Power To World Hop, Zelena's BroomStick, & ALL MAGICBeing marketed as a family show does entail some higher moral standards but I’m not sure that Henry cursing is the straw that breaks the camels back. This is a show that, even since S1, has had: adultery, rape, black magic, murder, mass killings, drinking, swearing, sex before marriage, senseless violence, ect–all things a great many people would consider to be amoral. And there are other social issues like LGBT representation, PoC color representation, ageism, classism, and other -isms.
The show is promoted as a family show but it stopped being that awhile back, if it ever was at all and that’s a problem with marketing or with the writers or–as I think is the case–with both
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"If Henry using that word bothers you, then I’m not sure this is the show for you. As RG said, of all the things they have done on this show (verbal and physical spousal abuse, magic rape, murder), if Henry saying that word is the the final straw then I don’t even know anymore. And if you think boys his age aren’t saying far worse words than that, than I think that’s being quite naive. I certainly was at that age. It’s funny because I actually had no idea what you were talking about until TheWatcher said what the word was. That is how minor I took it to be. For a second, I thought he said something worse but then figured that wouldn’t make it to television so I was really confused.
And as far as curse words go, most describe a body part, person, or an inappropriate act. That word is a rare exception and it’s simply because of the negative connotation it has in it’s religious origin. At the end of the day, heck is a place. But yes, technically it is a curse word. It’s just funny I didn’t even notice it. That’s how bad some shows have gotten with the more aggressive curse words. I hear that word and treat it as a normal word which I suppose is a little alarming if you’re someone who gets a easily offended by stuff on tv.
It’s just funny I didn’t even notice it.
And this might speak to the broader topic of this thread: the desensitization of amorality in our daily media consumption. Might be why TV shows feel the need to go above and beyond in shock value, because we’re so used to “mundane” amorality like adultery or swearing or even murder. Like I said above, the show has been labeled family friendly and family oriented since S1 but the entire premise of the show in S1–a Curse that took your favorite fairy tale characters to our world–is based on patricide and black magic. None of us eve blinked when Regina killed her father and sacrificed his heart in a fire; there was no outrage about the morality of it, instead we called it clever and a good twist.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I just do not think children should watch this show. Hook, Rumpel, and Regina are terrible human being and are treated as reasonable parts of the team and in Rumpel’s case as a reasonable person to ask for help and a love interest for Belle. That alone, in my opinion, the villains being treated as reasonable, means to me that kids should not watch this show. They are horrible people and they should not be allowed around children.
I think all of this depends on what you understand a “family show” to be. The media industry has standardized content rating systems. OUAT is certainly not a children oriented show (that would have a Y,Y7, or a G rating). OUAT’s rating is PG, which alerts parents or other caregivers that they might find the program content not suitable for younger children, but it is left up to the parents to decide how “children” are defined. The MPAA used to define this more strictly, as children who are “pre-teenagers.” In other words, a PG rating is not prescriptive (this is family show, you should watch it with your kids), but defined negatively (this is a show that will likely not traumatize your teenagers, but might freak out your younger children. You decide). Conceptually, these are completely different orientations to the audience.
So, strictly speaking from the industry’s rating system, they have 0 moral responsibility to portray any kind of higher standard. It’s not that kind of show.
But that’s not what people and kids will take away with them from the show. Because the amoral actions didn’t get any of the characters anything good,, in the end, it only brought them into worse situations. It was always only the good actions that brought them into better situations. So isn’t that what kids are gonna take away from the show? Like really kids. Don’t kill your fathers, cause that will bring hell on you and everyone will hate you.
The moral of the story,, I would say, is something like – You are never so bad that you cant do better – .. They will take away- That family always sticks together. Don’t condemn your enemy but help your enemy, so that he might become your friend.. stuff like that..
Henry cursing- lolz ! Firstly, to me this wasn’t cursing.. and it never crossed my mind that this could be considered morally corrupt. These conversations only happen in America you guys 😉
And him being “romantic” with Violet. ! This is the most innocent “romance” ever. Also is Henry not 16 on the show?.. He can not only be 13? He started off as an 11 year old and years have passed in the shows universe.. like atleast 4 and then there was the year that we didn’t see, when Emma and Henry lived memory-less in New York.. so he should be about 16.
The only thing, in my opinion, that might be bad for young kids on this show, is stuff like scary squid monsters and such.
Henry is not 16. It had been four season not four years in universe. It had only been about 2-2.5; Adam and Eddy have confirmed this several times starting with the Frozen arc, hence why the gang knew nothing of the Arrendale crew. Henry is probably 14 at this point but he’s not 16.
ETA: the above was just to clarify. Im not making any moral judgements about Henry and Violet’s romance with regards to their age.
As far as “the villains didn’t get anything good from their actions” it doesn’t scan for all the villains. There is a difference between getting something good and avoiding punishment. Multiple times on this show murders and rapes, to name a few actions, have been hand waved away, forgotten, ignored, or flat out whitewashed by the writers. The moral may not be “bad actions yield good consequences” but that “bad actions yield no consequences”
It’s up to each individual if that moral is okay.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
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