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March 31, 2014 at 9:53 pm #257803Marty McFlyParticipant
I am sorry, but this is so frustrating
first off, he tells Belle that his father was never selfless. WHAT??? he is the only one in the enchanted forest who knew him before being dark one, and yes he was very sacrificing then! he sacrificed for Bae even before Bae was born, and Bae thinks he is selfish by nature????
then, his father TELLS him that happiness IS possible, just not with him. he should know his father by now, and believe him. his father could SEE TE FUTURE, so of course Bae will be happy. he KNOWS better than anyone that happiness is family, so obviously he will see Emma and Henry again.
and he is STILL angry that he let him go in that portal? seriously? didn’t your time in neverland teach you ANYTHING about your father? have you no empathy to how your father felt when he saw the portal that separated him and HIS father? can’t you let go of this mistake. literally a split second mistake that took CENTURIES to fix. HOW could there still even be anger there?
and then he is told that the wicked witch wants his father to live so SHE CAN CONTROL HIM. and he is stupid enough to bring him back without even thinking it through? what if she already has the dagger and is just waiting for him to be resurrected so she could make him her slave right away? did he WANT his father to be a slave to the dark curse? ANYONE would know that this is a fate worse than death, so why do it?
go home, read up on it, wonder for a second why SHE isn’t resurrecting him, and then figure out what to do. WHAT’S THE RUSH? Emma and Henry are safe, there’s time to think. THINK!!
so then he “dies” in Emma’s arms and tells his father that he learned to sacrifice for the people he loved.. REALLY, says the boy who sacrificed himself for the darlings, Emma and Henry, his father, etc. etc. etc.
when he gets back they better address these issues or I am DONE with Bae.
[adrotate group="5"]March 31, 2014 at 10:01 pm #257806RumplesGirlKeymasterIt’s called being OOC and he’s never coming back Marty. He’s dead.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"March 31, 2014 at 10:07 pm #257809Marty McFlyParticipantaww, you guys I will miss all of you. it’s a pity this story turned into such tripe. it had such potential!
April 5, 2014 at 2:17 pm #259267puffyParticipant1) Neal is realistic. Children who grew up with mommy or in Neal’s case daddy issues have a skewed perception about the parent they are hurt by. They villainize the parent. Neal spent centuries telling himself the same story over and over again that Rumple was a bad father who abandoned him and loved his dark power more than his son. If you spent so much time, being angry with someone its hard to break out of that pattern. It takes time to recover. His resentment would’ve been a habit, he needs a reminder that his father isn’t this person he told himself was for the past 300+ years.
2) Neal was so desperate and anxious to get his family back he just didn’t care about the price. That’s what emotions do to a person it causes them not to make wise choices but rash and impulsive ones. He also had enough faith in his father that no matter what happens his father would be able to overcome it.
3) Neal needed to acknowledge his father’s most recent important event, his sacrifice. That he was following the same honor by following in his papa’s footsteps. To give up his life, even if it mean he can’t be with his family he’s going to do it so that they have their best chance.
*It wasn’t about Neal going through a bad dad selfish arc but for him to understand what his own father had to go through. That was the perfect ending to Neal. BECAUSE he spent his whole life not understanding and hating his father. To having to make the same decisions his father had to make so that he could finally understand and make peace was a tremendous gift to Neal.
Sometimes its not enough to hear and empathize with someone’s situation, some people need to go through it. That’s what Neal had to go through to drop the baggage from his 300 year resentful & angry journey to get to the point of full understanding, love and forgiveness. Neal FINALLY understands his father.
Having to go through the journey Neal had is a bigger reward than to just say after 300 years alright I forgive you. Neal understood why he should forgive his father and stop being angry BUT its not that easy to be human. You have this habit of hating someone for so long. At least Neal was finally able to understand the pain and his father’s perspective in making the decisions he did because Neal had to do the same thing first hand. They both came to the same conclusion, even though its all they ever wanted. They don’t have to be in each other’s lives they just want their children and the people they love to be happy.
April 5, 2014 at 3:10 pm #259276nealfanforeverParticipantBaelfire saw his father murder so many people, let go of his hand and drop him into hundreds of years of aloneness, thought his father was going to kill Henry and just recently reconciled with his father before Rumple used the blade on himself and Peter Pan. Nothing is wrong with Neal. Trust is earned and because Neal wasn’t in the EF to see Rumple’s regret like the viewers saw, he had just started trusting his father again. He didn’t purposefully sacrifice Rumple to Zelena, he blindly decided to do whatever it took to protect his family. It was also probably hard for him to think clearly with another person in his head. I am still not convinced Neal is not going to come back in a different form like a superhero (The Human Torch?). When Belle read the part of the book that said it would be a trade, a life for a life, she described that part of the book as “here is where it gets a little fuzzy”. I can appreciate your opinion but I really don’t think there is anything wrong with Neal.
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April 5, 2014 at 3:38 pm #259284puffyParticipant@nealfanforever. I think Neal, years later after puberty could’ve understand his father was cursed and wasn’t himself. Its like a person acting under the influence of drugs. If the drug is making a person crazy and its affecting their behavior you don’t hate them. You take pity on them and get them help. Its not like Neal didn’t know his father was cursed. He had 300 years to make peace with knowing his father was a good man, got cursed and it made his father sick. I understand Neal was hurt but 300 years is alot of time to reflect and let go of negativity.
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