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Given the list of truly evil things Regina, Rumple, and Hook have done, I’m surprised that the Charmings are being given much harsher treatment, both by Emma and “the show” in general.
I agree to an extent. 1. I think the show started treating Rumple harshly from about 3B onwards ie losing his son to death then making him go full villain in 4A and continuing that in 4B whilst Hook and Regina received their free passes to redemption. 2. The idea that Snowing were just going to take another persons offspring, offload their child’s darkness into said offspring and then just hand the offspring back is kind of horrifying all on it’s own. Snowing’s complete disregard for Mal’s offspring just because it might not be human is also cruel. It seems out of character that Season 1 Snowing would consciously do something that terrible for their own selfish reasons. Snow from season 3 onwards, you can believe would be that selfish. It’s not so much that Snowing are being treated “harsher”, I think anyone would be horrified to hear what Snowing did so Emma’s reaction to them is justified, it’s that Regina and Hook are getting away scot-free for their past misdeeds and not being called out on it by anyone which makes it unfair that certain characters have to deal with the consequences of their actions whilst certain others don’t.
I think it comes more from a place of shock and horror….everyone expected so much from Snowing, that it wouldn’t even cross anyone’s minds that they would be capable of committing such a heinous act! I’ve been saying it since Season 1, so it didn’t really come as too much of a shock, and I think it’s mainly Hook that gets away scot-free nowadays….Regina actually worked a very long time to establish her redemption….she cannot change the past nor what she did, she can only move on and make better choices.
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I think it comes more from a place of shock and horror….everyone expected so much from Snowing, that it wouldn’t even cross anyone’s minds that they would be capable of committing such a heinous act! I’ve been saying it since Season 1, so it didn’t really come as too much of a shock
I think you’re right. The thing with Snowing though is that Charming is the follower whilst Snow is the leader. Charming is more into letting the dice fall where they may and crossing that bridge when they get to it, whereas Snow is more high strung but includes Charming in the blame for her past mistakes.
and I think it’s mainly Hook that gets away scot-free nowadays….Regina actually worked a very long time to establish her redemption….she cannot change the past nor what she did, she can only move on and make better choices.
I agree with this. Regina was working hard for her redemption in 3A but then it kind of got fast tracked and made about Robin in 3B.
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Keeper of FelixI think it comes more from a place of shock and horror….everyone expected so much from Snowing, that it wouldn’t even cross anyone’s minds that they would be capable of committing such a heinous act! I’ve been saying it since Season 1, so it didn’t really come as too much of a shock
I think you’re right. The thing with Snowing though is that Charming is the follower whilst Snow is the leader. Charming is more into letting the dice fall where they may and crossing that bridge when they get to it, whereas Snow is more high strung but includes Charming in the blame for her past mistakes.
I agree. This past episode especially made that super evident. We didn’t even see Charming fight Snow on wanting to steal Mal’s baby. He just went along with it, even though the rational that if it’s a monster anyway, what difference does it make?
I agree. This past episode especially made that super evident. We didn’t even see Charming fight Snow on wanting to steal Mal’s baby. He just went along with it, even though the rational that if it’s a monster anyway, what difference does it make?
The fact that Charming saw a perfectly good baby and still didn’t try to stop Snow was problematic as well.
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It’s hard for me to judge or even condemn the despicable actions taken by Snowing in the last episode. At first I blamed them, then the Apprentice, but then he turned around and confronted the Author saying…
“What did you make me do to that child.” Or, something like that.
This is really more the Author’s darkness at work than Snow and Charming’s. This episode in particular really blurred the lines between free will and the Author’s power to write the stories into existence. The Author only seemed to manipulate Snow and Charming, but then he actually controlled the Apprentice’s actions.
As soon as it was over, you see Snowing immediately regret what they’d done. It almost felt like they were aware that they were OUT OF CHARACTER. Then, they immediately rededicate themselves to being heroes.
This is frustrating for me. I want people to be held accountable for their actions, but the Author’s influence makes me hesitate to judge characters since they might not have full control.
For the Author to MAKE the Apprentice do something proves that he is powerful. I just want to know how far back the Author’s power goes and what other stories he has corrupted. I think he definitely has a hand in Regina’s story somewhere, if for no other reason than the alternate page 23 of her a Robin meeting in the tavern.
I TOTALLY agree, Pan. That’s why it’s difficult for me to judge what were Snowing’s actions, what was free will and what was controlled by the Author. Because if the Author made Snow make that decision, to do what she did, then there’s hardly any room to blame Snow because she wasn’t in control of her actions.
I think the actions themselves are open to interpretation. But I think what’s way more problematic, is Snowing’s dialogue over the mobile. Let’s consider it for a second:
Snow, it’s just a mobile.
A unicorn gave me a vision, which led to us ripping Maleficent’s child away.
I don’t want a reminder of that literally hanging over our baby.
[Scoffs] What we did is already with me every night when I try to sleep.
– I keep hearing – I know.
I do, too.
But maybe Maleficent deserved what happened.
For all we know, she lied about Regina having the dark curse.
Regina hasn’t even tried using it.
Maybe her threat was just words.
None of that matters.
What matters is what we did.
I thought we were doing something brave for our child, and we were brave, but we weren’t kind.
We were selfish.
And I think We are not heroes anymore.
How do we fix it? We can’t fix it.
Maleficent’s child is gone.
But, Snow, we’re still here.
So, how do we fix us? The people we are now, weighed down by all this is that who we want to raise our child? Of course not.
But do you really think that redemption is possible? Yes.
I have to believe we can earn forgiveness.
A chance at Grace.
But to get there, we have to be the best people we can work, spread hope and faith every day.
Because otherwise, what we did will stain us forever.
And affect our child.Now, if we assume that time hasn’t just stopped going for Maleficient as soon as we’ve switched to Snowing’s hand-wringing here, lets imagine for a second what she’s going through while these two are contemplating whether a mobile of a unicorn over their baby’s crib is offensive. I don’t know if dragon shapeshifters suffer from postpartum, but here you are, just gave birth, and then these two bozos steal your baby, and the next time you see it, it’s hurtling down a swirling vortex to who knows where, likely to smash into little smithereens once it hits the bottom of whatever that is. And then you drag yourself back to your house, and all those months of anticipation, or preparing for the arrival of your little bundle, of making a comfy little nest for it, of dreaming of how the two of you will live together is met with …cold, dead, silence. Its little crib/nest/whatever you keep a baby-egg in… empty and hollow. And on top of everything else, you have no way to really mourn it because ultimately, you will likely never know for sure what happened to it. And your last image of it is its pudgy little hand with little dimples, reaching out to you…
Right?
Now, lets read that dialogue again.1) A unicorn led us to rip Mal’s child away (unicorns made me do it?)
2) But maybe Mal’s deserved it? because, you know, she’s a liar.
3) What matters is what we did [Ok, maybe here we’ll have some genuine regret, some sincere contemplation of the horror of their action… Wait for it, wait for it…] “But none of that matters (!!!) […] I think We are not heroes anymore.”
Oh, no, that there is truly tragic.
Unless the Author was also writing their dialogue, I am a lot more reluctant to see them as all that innocent. I mean the profoundly self-absorbed litany about not being able to claim the status of heroes… And then worrying that maybe the fact that they feel bad about what they’ve done is going to be a problem and affect their kid? Meanwhile, not one thought about the impact that this might have had on Mal… while Snow herself is heavily pregnant? Seriously? I don’t even know what to do with that honestly.
What I’m curious about is whether this is intentional on the writers’ part, or if that dialogue is supposed to make us feel warm fuzzies for our repenting couple. Because if the latter, I wasn’t impressed.
Now, lets read that dialogue again. 1) A unicorn led us to rip Mal’s child away (unicorns made me do it?) Quote
I think what Snow was referring to here is the first scene in the episode when she and Charming tracked the unicorn and both her and Charming had two different visions. Charming saw an innocent baby (Emma) and Snow saw a teenage, devil-child Emma.
Which, FYI, no one thought of the comparison of why Snow saw teenage Emma vs. an innocent child (what Charming saw)? It doesn’t happen with every child, but typically because it is the teen years, they may or may not be violent. Teen years are typically referred to as the horror years.
What does that say about adolescence? That being a teenager with hormones makes you susceptible to being evil?
Unless the Author was also writing their dialogue, I am a lot more reluctant to see them as all that innocent. I mean the profoundly self-absorbed litany about not being able to claim the status of heroes… And then worrying that maybe the fact that they feel bad about what they’ve done is going to be a problem and affect their kid? Meanwhile, not one thought about the impact that this might have had on Mal… while Snow herself is heavily pregnant? Seriously? I don’t even know what to do with that honestly.
Compound that with their actions in Storybrooke and that makes all of this worst. Because they STILL don’t seem that remorseful for what they did to Mal. They only seem to mourn their status as heroes in the eyes of their daughter.
Which, FYI, no one thought of the comparison of why Snow saw teenage Emma vs. an innocent child (what Charming saw)? It doesn’t happen with every child, but typically because it is the teen years, they may or may not be violent. Teen years are typically referred to as the horror years.
I pointed this out in the sneak peek thread. In Charming’s version there is no way the baby could be anything other than innocent. This adds more weight to the idea of self-fulfilling prophecies.
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