Where is August/Pinocchio? Theories about his role?

[Demileto]

@PriceofMagic wrote:

I don’t think August went to Neverland. It would complicate things too much timeline wise

Not at all if it happens before the events shown in “The Stranger”, which is when Pleasure Island happens in Disney’s Pinocchio. Remember, we haven’t seen the whole of Pinocchio’s tale on screen, only the very end of it.

@PriceofMagic wrote:

and also would be introducing August back into the Story when his story is pretty much done

There’s still the nagging question of how August knew Neal was Bae in “Tallahasse”. Having Neverland be Pinocchio’s Pleasure Island solves this elegantly: he’d met him when he was a wooden puppet boy there.

[RumplesGirl]

I think they plan on bringing August (Eion) back in flashbacks because he still ahs at least one story to tell.

And I agree with Demileto. I’m more inclined to believe that Pinocchio the puppet went to NL, not August the young boy.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[PanTheMan]

Having the younger version of August back on the show will also make the possible flashbacks to him in NL easier.

I love what Demelito and Rumplesgirl are saying abot Pleasure Island. That would be really cool.

[Phee]

@Demileto wrote:

Remember, we haven’t seen the whole of Pinocchio’s tale on screen, only the very end of it.

This is true. And given that Pinocchio/August is no longer a major player in present day, if they do want to go back and tell this part of Pinocchio’s story, they’ll need to connect it to the major plot somehow. With our heroes currently headed for a magical island, which suggests we’ll get flashbacks to what has previously happened on said island, it would tie everything together nicely if they make NL Pinocchio’s Pleasure Island.

I could see an ep where we have flashbacks of puppet Pinocchio in NL/Pleasure Island, paralleled with human August, as a child and adult in our world.

[kfchimera]

It’s the month of August, so the time for talking about our gingerheaded boy who used to be a scruffy, cryptic enigma wrapped in a riddle and stuffed in leather pants.

I’ve been reading all of the essays on   Screwball Ninja lately, and wishing she would do one on August.

I have so many questions about this character, and even more “headcannon” to explain away how he got to be the way he did.  I wish the show would SHOW more, and I know many people felt his   “happy ending” was not actually a satisfying resolution of this character’s role in the story.

We ought to find out how and what he knew about the curse.  How did he know about the dagger? We can guess BF told him some stuff before he left or gave him the book, or that Bae told him some details of his life.  We don’t KNOW it though. We weren’t shown it.

I love Demileto’s theory that little puppet Pino went to Pleasure Island AKA NL.  I think that would be the perfect way to wrap the character into the present tale.   Maybe rebooted August has selective memories of his past life that start to resurface (no friends with benefits in Phuket memories please!).

And while I don’t quite think the timeline works out here, it could be interesting to tie back to when we thought Whale was actually a whale, as in Monstro.  If they did do puppet Pino, maybe we could find out about the thing that was attacking them.  I’m just angling for more on the magic versus science (that really is magic) here.

Another question, like Emma, he was out in the real world. Did he meet NO one who was completely non-magical who ever cared about him enough to wonder where he went? I wonder that about Emma too, but I guess the answer we were given is, not really.   But what if his little bedmate in Phuket wasn’t just that?  It is a show about hope and happy endings, but the drama and conflict needs to be continual so if they wanted, they could tap back into this character and mine his story for more.

Too creepy for a halloween episode? Pino walks into Gold’s shop and discovers his puppet grandparents and brings them to (evil Chuckie-inspired puppet) life?

 

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

[Phee]

and I know many people felt his “happy ending” was not actually a satisfying resolution of this character’s role in the story.

THIS! I always loved me some August, but the guy had crap to answer for, and now he’ll never be able to properly hash things out with Neal and Emma. *sigh*

We ought to find out how and what he knew about the curse. How did he know about the dagger? We can guess BF told him some stuff before he left or gave him the book, or that Bae told him some details of his life.

I had seen SO sure that his adult self had been given info from Blue…but…apparently not possible.

Mr. Gold: How about my other question? Who told you about me and the knife?
August: A little fairy.

Truth, or was he just straight up snarking? If Blue did tell him anything, it must have been during the time when she thought he’d be going through the wardrobe. But I’m starting to think that Tink might have told him instead, and there are a couple of options as to how/when, though it’s all just speculation.

1) The theory about NL being his Pleasure Island proves true, and PP had foreseen that he had a vital role to play, so told Tink to tell him stuff while he was there.

2) Tink has been able to cross over to our world during the Curse years, tracked August down, and told him.

Even though it’s the crackpottier theory, I’m leaning towards option 2. THO and PP have a connection, of this we’re pretty much positive. PP was able to send the Shadow to our world to fetch children. So what’s to say he couldn’t also send Tink back and forth as the messenger between himself and THO.

THO recruited Greg because as a kid, he blabbed about the magical place. I reckon little August probably blabbed about the magical place too, (he knew nothing of the differences between the worlds, and what an unusual thing magic is to our world, so why wouldn’t he blab about where he’d come from?). If THO had Owen on their radar, it stands to reason they had August on their radar too. Perhaps the reason they were keeping an ear out for kids blabbing about magic is because they were keeping an ear out for August in particular, because they knew he was out there and that he had a role to play, and they just happened to stumble on Owen in the process.

So, THO finds August, and because the information he needs to know is important and specific, the only one PP trusts to deliver it is his right hand fairy, Tink. So one night August picks up this hot blonde at a bar, (casting call said she’s a party girl), and he gets her alone and thinks he’s about to get lucky, and then she blurts out, “I know you’re Pinocchio,” then tells him all about who she is, and who Nealfire is, and Rumple and the dagger and the whole thing. Then she sends him to find SwanFire and break them up.

I saw a post on tumblr recently where someone suggested that the reason August forced SwanFire to break up was because he knew that true love was needed to break the Curse. If Emma stayed with Neal, they had Henry, it was all happy families and they had a fulfilling life, then what would have been able to spark that thing inside Emma that was absolutely necessary to break the Curse? It was her whole struggle, starting in that hopeless place, and slowly moving towards believing in the truth that created that true love in her heart which made it possible for her to fulfill her role as the breaker of the Curse. If she already had true love, would the Curse have been impossible to break?

Looking at it like that, August had no choice but to ensure that they broke up and Emma was left ruined. He was supposed to help her achieve her destiny, and that’s exactly what he did. So while I should probably hate him for interfering and breaking up my OTP…really, I just feel sorry for him because he was in a situation where the only way he could do the right thing for her, was to do something that would break her heart. (Which is the same situation Neal was put in as well, after his meeting with August.)

He didn’t have to take her money and run though. That was still a douche move. Though I suspect he did it out of fear in the hopes that no one magical would be able to track him down again and give him another sucky mission.

I love Demileto’s theory that little puppet Pino went to Pleasure Island AKA NL. I think that would be the perfect way to wrap the character into the present tale. Maybe rebooted August has selective memories of his past life that start to resurface (no friends with benefits in Phuket memories please!).

I do still like this theory, and all the blabbing I’ve just done about Tink in our world with August doesn’t negate the possibility of NeverPleasureIslandLand. If the SBers manage to figure out where Henry and the JR6 are, and if Neal doesn’t make it back to SB for a while, then it would be handy for them to have someone else in town with knowledge of NL, which is where Pinocchio could become important.

Another question, like Emma, he was out in the real world. Did he meet NO one who was completely non-magical who ever cared about him enough to wonder where he went? I wonder that about Emma too, but I guess the answer we were given is, not really. But what if his little bedmate in Phuket wasn’t just that? It is a show about hope and happy endings, but the drama and conflict needs to be continual so if they wanted, they could tap back into this character and mine his story for more.

I’ve never really considered that, but it’s an excellent question!

[kfchimera]

So one night August picks up this hot blonde at a bar, (casting call said she’s a party girl), and he gets her alone and thinks he’s about to get lucky, and then she blurts out, “I know you’re Pinocchio,” then tells him all about who she is, and who Nealfire is, and Rumple and the dagger and the whole thing. 

Ooh, that is interesting.  I definitely can see Tink in a green sequined strapless mini shooting pool (like Lacey), eyeing up August.

THat would be Tink’s surprising connection, because it isn’t so surprising to connect her to Bae, but if her story links to his in the “real” world would be quite surprising, that she was actually there and involved in their lives years ago

 

 

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

[Josephine]

That actually really makes sense about Tink and August.  Somehow, THO tipped Tamara off to August’s whereabouts in Asia and planned the whole set up.  They’d been tracking him somehow because what’s the odds that Tamara would just bump into someone from a magical land and she just happens to be part of a supposed magic-hating mafia.  That lead to there had been some kind of trace on August.  Who knows how long, but they were playing him big time.

Sadly, I think we’ll never get the full story behind August.  The rumors swirling about Eion Bailey and not getting along with the production crew and the fact that they retconned his character to a little boy appear to me that they don’t want to work with him anymore and that was their way around it.

Keeper of Rumplestiltskin's and Neal's spears and war paint and crystal ball.

[RumplesGirl]

Well the surprising connection spoiled by A and E at SDCC was that it was with someone on the panel, actually sitting at the table, so it can’t be Pinocchio since Eion isn’t a full cast member and wasn’t there.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[Josephine]

RG, that little spoiler doesn’t negate the theory that August might have been connected to Tinker Belle.

So he says “a little fairy told me.”  A&E have claimed that the BF didn’t have her memories during the curse, so someone had to inform August about Baelfire and everything else.  I assume the curse never touched Neverland so Tinker Belle would be free to travel between worlds.

As for Pleasure Island, I always thought that Phuket was August’s own Pleasure Island he ran off to in order to escape his troubles.  But I could also see young Pinocchio making a trip to another Pleasure Island.  In the movie, it did happen before the ordeal with the whale and washing up on shore.  The part of the story we saw in “The Stranger” was the ending of the Pinocchio tale, so they could go back and film young Pinocchio without needing Eion at all.  But I still think they need to bring him back to give real resolution to the storyline.  That’s the one area I think fans really feel cheated by.

 

Keeper of Rumplestiltskin's and Neal's spears and war paint and crystal ball.

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