which characters you hate? (no flaming or bashing allowed)

[thelonebamf]

@KFChimera wrote:

I’d love it if in telling this backstory, we find out Xavier has an older son who was supposed to inherit, and he’s a spendthrift useless Prince named Naveen….and Cora turns him into a frog 😛 But really, any backstory will be great.

…Yes, please.

[obisgirl]

I’d also like to add: it’s not like Henry is a bad son from what we saw in The Miller’s Daughter. He seems like a decent guy when we meet him. Maybe it’s because he’s not cold like his father, but I feel like maybe there is some unresolved tension there that we don’t know about.

Like Henry is the spare child that Xavier wasn’t excited about becoming King one day. But why not? If that story is ever revisited, I hope they touch on the relationship there.

I love the Rafiki reference to Cora holding baby Regina and presenting her to the kingdom. It is awesome 😆 😆 😆 That fanvid will forever be seared into my mind that Cora is Rafiki.

[thelonebamf]

Oh no, I think Henry Sr. is a genuinely good guy- he just ended up getting pushed around by the women in his life. It’s hard to say if he ever really loved Cora, I think he liked her well enough from their first meeting, but the marriage was arranged and without her heart his wife would have been difficult to get close to. Still, I imagine he felt he had a duty to wed the woman who had saved the kingdom. After Regina was born I think it’s clear she was the light of his life, which is why he’d do anything for her.

I do wonder why Cora decided to take him to Wonderland and imprison him. Was it a punishment? Had he done something specific to upset her? Was she just showing her power and belittling a symbol from her old Kingdom as she rose to power in the new one?

"Nothing is easier than to denounce the evildoer; nothing is more difficult than to understand him."

[RumplesGirl]

I do wonder why Cora decided to take him to Wonderland and imprison him. Was it a punishment? Had he done something specific to upset her? Was she just showing her power and belittling a symbol from her old Kingdom as she rose to power in the new one?

I wonder if that story will be told in our ONCE or in the new ONCE: Wonderland.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[kfchimera]

I don’t think anyone has said Henry was a bad guy–I just said his father didn’t think much of him. His father though was kind of a power mad guy (shades of King George…..) so his not having a good opinion actually was supposed to make us feel the opposite.

I imagine Cora belittled her husband as his father did–and in wonderland it appears she actually made him tiny. Regina gets some mushroom and says “a little snack” before Henry appears again.

I’m not sure how much Once:Wonderland will go into any backstory from Once, I had the impression it wouldn’t but would focus on other characters. So Cora might appear, but she’ll just already be in power is my guess. Though I would love to see her rise to power.

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

[obisgirl]

@KFChimera wrote:

I don’t think anyone has said Henry was a bad guy–I just said his father didn’t think much of him.

oh ok.

@thelonebamf wrote:

I do wonder why Cora decided to take him to Wonderland and imprison him. Was it a punishment? Had he done something specific to upset her? Was she just showing her power and belittling a symbol from her old Kingdom as she rose to power in the new one?

Hmm. The only thing I can of think is that Cora wanted Regina to suffer for banishing her and what better way to do that than to take away the thing that she loved the most? Her father.

[thelonebamf]

I wouldn’t mind seeing more of Cora in Wonderland. I think she’s a fascinating character and Barbara Hershey is an amazingly talented actress I wouldn’t mind seeing more of. It would just be nice if she was in.. the past. In another land. Where she can’t hurt all the characters I love. ^_^7

"Nothing is easier than to denounce the evildoer; nothing is more difficult than to understand him."

[thelonebamf]

Just a little note about the Blue Fairy- something that caught my attention while reviewing the episode “The Return”, in my mind I thought she had purposely misled Rumplestiltskin when he visited her at the abbey, but I realized this was just clever writing.

She tells Gold that August has been
-Looking for guidance
-Searching for his father
-Hadn’t spoken to him yet
-Because it had been a difficult parting

Gold (and the audience) assume she is referring to Bae, even though we have no reason to believe BF has her memories of FTL back. However, knowing who August really is, all of BF’s words apply quite well to Pinocchio’s story. Haha! Clever boy! It’s possible that August went seeking out actual help regarding his own situation, but set her up in such a way that if she revealed anything to Gold, it would help support the notion that he was actually Baelfire. I have to go with this idea because when Gold confronts August in the woods, August assumes that Gold thinks he is his son, but all Gold says is “I know who you really are, and what you’re looking for”.

Although, I guess August could have gauged how much Mr. Gold knew by that statement.

“I know who you are.”
Either he knows who I really am, Pinocchio, or he’s found the misinformation I’ve left behind and he thinks I’m Baelfire.
“And I know what you’re looking for.”
Ah ha! He’s found the clues I left about the dagger, meaning he’s likely snapped up the other false leads I left, leading him to believe that I’m Baelfire.

And thus August lays on the “Papa”. Ouch.

So yes, I think this is actually an early example of Plot Device Blue Fairy. She’s there to deliver misinformation to the audience and other characters, but not out of malice (she doesn’t even want to tell Gold anything until he threatens to raise the rent)- just out of narrative necessity.

"Nothing is easier than to denounce the evildoer; nothing is more difficult than to understand him."

[obisgirl]

Good observation thelonebamf.

I still don’t trust her though 😆

I’d like to bring up a character we were introduced to too briefly in 7:15 a.m. last season. The eighth dwarf, Stealthy. What is everyone’s thoughts about him?

[surayya]

@thelonebamf wrote:

Just a little note about the Blue Fairy- something that caught my attention while reviewing the episode “The Return”, in my mind I thought she had purposely misled Rumplestiltskin when he visited her at the abbey, but I realized this was just clever writing.

She tells Gold that August has been
-Looking for guidance
-Searching for his father
-Hadn’t spoken to him yet
-Because it had been a difficult parting

Gold (and the audience) assume she is referring to Bae, even though we have no reason to believe BF has her memories of FTL back. However, knowing who August really is, all of BF’s words apply quite well to Pinocchio’s story. Haha! Clever boy! It’s possible that August went seeking out actual help regarding his own situation, but set her up in such a way that if she revealed anything to Gold, it would help support the notion that he was actually Baelfire. I have to go with this idea because when Gold confronts August in the woods, August assumes that Gold thinks he is his son, but all Gold says is “I know who you really are, and what you’re looking for”.

Although, I guess August could have gauged how much Mr. Gold knew by that statement.

“I know who you are.”
Either he knows who I really am, Pinocchio, or he’s found the misinformation I’ve left behind and he thinks I’m Baelfire.
“And I know what you’re looking for.”
Ah ha! He’s found the clues I left about the dagger, meaning he’s likely snapped up the other false leads I left, leading him to believe that I’m Baelfire.

And thus August lays on the “Papa”. Ouch.

So yes, I think this is actually an early example of Plot Device Blue Fairy. She’s there to deliver misinformation to the audience and other characters, but not out of malice (she doesn’t even want to tell Gold anything until he threatens to raise the rent)- just out of narrative necessity.

Only problem with that, is Blue didn’t have her memories back, so had no idea about EF or everyone being a magical/FTL person etc- A&E confirmed she didn’t get them back until the curse broke– so she & August are talking about August & his ‘unknown father’ at that point- nothing more (was kind of disappointing learning that because her & August’s background conversation indicates she did know he was Pino, but she couldn’t have, so it was August’s ‘random father’ as far as she knew- or August set her up, so when Rumple asked her, she’d tell him exactly what he wanted to hear.)

The way I see Blue is “Good” magic comes with heavy restrictions in place to keep it “light”- remember power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely – this is played out by Blue Vs Rumple nicely.

Blue is the ‘oldest’ most powerful magical being- her power is so great it’s terrible. The only thing keeping her “light” is by using it only when circumstances for the betterment of FTL/EF as a WHOLE require it. Therefore she is not able to step in unless 1) called upon 2) asked to have a wish granted 3) said wish is for the benefit of EF/FTL 4) Doesn’t feed into darkness (ie selfish/self serving) reasons etc. In short, she has to follow a strict set of rules/code (like Jedi), in order to stop her power becoming corrupted by her own desires.
Rumple on the other hand, has allowed his power to corrupt him absolutely – there is no boundary he hasn’t crossed with it & therefore he/it is absolutely corrupted & so is the magic he preforms- He 1) uses it when ever & however he feels 2) usually instigates the use of his magic through manipulating events around him 3) uses magic for his own betterment, gratification & satisfaction 4) Uses it primarily out of darkness/a corrupt place, as it’s almost always used for selfish/self serving reasons.
Maintaining balance/peace, is never achieved by ‘good powers’ if said power simply destroys ‘evil’ 1st chance it gets (sure it’d get things done, but it’d be no different than evil/dark power then)- that’s why it’s good, it doesn’t step in with force, unless no other choice or hope for redemption can be found- it is the ONLY thing that separates good from evil.

& No I don’t dislike or hate Rumple either 😉

I’ve now officially added Greg/Owen (for a full GOAT combo) to my list of disliked characters 👿 Dude needs a chill pill the size of Canada – how does he expect answers if he fries Regina's brain?!?!

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